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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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paid to black bespoke radio

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masses psy

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how you doing today's monday september

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14th

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2020. let's do this man

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258 days into the new year just 108 days

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg r

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a the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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hope you had a great weekend

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we did we worked

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i had coast to coast on saturday night

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shock valet

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worked all day yesterday here we are

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today monday kicking off a new week and

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deep prasad is here kicking off a monday

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science that is tonight's show tomorrow

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as well jay widener

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jay widener is back we

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terrence and uh here's a

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jay widener has yeah

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what a great week on fade to black

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thursday is another fader night

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but uh stay focused and go and

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okay it's called game changer network

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it's right there on youtube go and do

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on wednesday night twitter

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is at j church radio follow me on

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and the sandboxes hashtag f2b on twitter

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speaking of twitter at j church radio

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i get home uh from coast to coast

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censored so i gave it a day and i woke

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coast and i win conspiracy

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you gotta love that but that's why you

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at jchurchradio and use that hashtag f2b

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it worked all right yeah i'm wondering

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sure but they got it fixed all right

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email is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com lots

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crazy stuff going on i'm gonna start

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all right the other big news man lots of

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big news today

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this is big news the perfectly preserved

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of the species ever to be found with

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wow the astonishing find was made by

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on the lyakovsky islands which is part

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only the bones but this specimen

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a whole bare carcass with soft tissues

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and all internal organs in place

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holy crap that's a find big news day

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right well it's followed up with this to

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make it even bigger and here's the icing

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on the cake

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my dvd of the movie communion

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is actually scheduled for delivery

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tomorrow i'll keep everyone posted and

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if it arrives before the show

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you'll see it on the bunker cam that's

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looking forward to that uh there are a

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few people uh madeleine ordered one

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uh i got email oh man you know this

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comedian dvd look it's not streaming

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forget about that you're not gonna

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stream it unless you're gonna watch

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a bootleg version of it on youtube but

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it's not streaming on any of the

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i'm shocked to get this and it says

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which man if it's four by three by four

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whatever four by three i'm gonna be

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but it says widescreen okay so i'm

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if it actually gets here wow but how

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email can one person get over a dvd

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it in twitter

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and i got that email i don't see oh

290
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hold on here it is just came in six

291
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minutes ago

292
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for madeleine the communion has arrived

293
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uh ordered on fader night arrived today

294
00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:53,519
i hope there there it is playing in the

295
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background

296
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:57,360
fantastic stuff madeleine okay so we

297
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ordered them on the same day

298
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:02,560
and uh you obviously live one day closer

299
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:05,839
to the uh distribution center for

300
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for amazon but there it is playing in

301
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the background

302
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,160
look at that all right excited

303
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i'm gonna be watching that tomorrow all

304
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:16,160
right let's get this show cracking lots

305
00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:18,000
to talk about tonight happy birthday to

306
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:20,079
today

307
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is 73. jurassic park

308
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:30,639
dead calm wasn't he in one of those

309
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movies like uh

310
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wasn't he was was he in the abyss

311
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or sphere or one of those undersea

312
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,800
alien wasn't he in one of those two as

313
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well he was great and dead calm

314
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:48,480
um my my my sam neil jurassic park is

315
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jurassic park

316
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three there were some scenes in jurassic

317
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park three

318
00:15:56,949 --> 00:15:55,120
remember when they were in the uh the

319
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bird part of the island and they had to

320
00:16:02,470 --> 00:15:58,320
go down that tunnel

321
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:02,480
the the the bird cage that man that was

322
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:06,839
that was good stuff sam neil today 73

323
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a-ha that's right

324
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aha frontman morton harquette

325
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:16,560
today is 61 years old

326
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singer of one of the biggest songs in

327
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the history of music

328
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:25,279
take on me and also today

329
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:29,600
og fade or not the elf is 29 years old

330
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now i want to show this to everybody

331
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,600
this arrived today and it's elf's

332
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:37,519
birthday and i get a gift

333
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:40,800
from him which is strange strange timing

334
00:16:48,870 --> 00:16:45,360
but i got this a hat rack

335
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:50,949
yeah and it's exactly what you think it

336
00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:52,320
is

337
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:01,920
burned stained absolutely incredible

338
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:05,439
uh piece of work and i've been i've been

339
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:08,880
sent a lot of stuff in my day

340
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:13,039
um for the bunker but this

341
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,520
is absolutely incredible elf thank you

342
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:16,959
so much

343
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,319
and uh it's gonna have its own prized

344
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,000
place here in the bunker

345
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and i will oh there's a there's an old

346
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,039
nail there

347
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:28,319
that's man this is it's just absolutely

348
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,280
incredible

349
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,039
so there you go thank you elf and

350
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,120
there's the close-up of it

351
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:40,230
absolutely fantastic that's special

352
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:41,679
right there thank you elf and happy

353
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:44,799
birthday man 29

354
00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:49,200
29 years old all right where am i at

355
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:52,400
our dead guy's birthday today is

356
00:17:57,029 --> 00:17:55,919
steve gaines 1949 to 1977 died at the

357
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age of 28 and

358
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,520
ed king 1949 to 2018 died at the age of

359
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:03,280
68.

360
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:06,880
both ed and steve were the guitarists

361
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:10,240
for leonard skynyrd it was

362
00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:14,160
king that wrote sweet home alabama wrote

363
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:14,480
or

364
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:16,640
co-wrote poison whiskey saturday night

365
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:19,280
special in whiskey rockarolla

366
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:23,840
king left the band in 1975 mid-1975

367
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:26,960
and was replaced by steve gaines

368
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:30,480
in 1976 a few months later

369
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:35,679
steve died in the plane crash in 1977

370
00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:38,240
just over a year after joining leonard

371
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,480
skinner gaines played on just one album

372
00:18:44,950 --> 00:18:42,000
street survivors

373
00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:44,960
that was released just three days before

374
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,880
the plane crash on october 20th

375
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:50,880
1977. how strange right

376
00:18:56,350 --> 00:18:54,559
irony ironic strange that they both have

377
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:56,360
the same birthdays

378
00:19:00,470 --> 00:19:00,080
absolutely crazy and uh happy birthday

379
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:00,480
to

380
00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:03,840
both of you steve and ed wow

381
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:05,760
incredible all right on this day in

382
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,840
history otd

383
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:11,280
1959.

384
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,720
it went down a soviet rocket crashes

385
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:16,480
into the moon's surface

386
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:19,039
becoming the first man-made object sent

387
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,880
from the earth to reach the lunar

388
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:22,000
surface

389
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:27,120
and it carried the soviet flag

390
00:19:32,470 --> 00:19:29,520
yep yep they got there first planted the

391
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,480
flag first well crashed the flag

392
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,799
the united states quickly responded with

393
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:35,760
a ah

394
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:39,200
that don't count that don't count

395
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:46,549
you got to plant unfurl you got to plant

396
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:49,679
the flag fader fact

397
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:53,360
all right man i love doing these

398
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,720
you ready fader fact

399
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,039
it if you live in utah i want you to

400
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:01,120
confirm this for me

401
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:04,480
i want you to

402
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,480
and confirm this fader fact are you

403
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:12,159
ready

404
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,919
the owner and only resident of the ghost

405
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:16,960
town

406
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:20,799
loosen utah that's l-u-c-i-n

407
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:24,799
lucen utah is ivo

408
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:29,760
zadarski who at the age of 24

409
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:33,280
he was the guy he was the kid that flew

410
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,320
over the iron curtain in 1984 using his

411
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:37,679
homemade glider

412
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:41,600
powered with a 600cc trobon engine

413
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,400
and landed undetected at vienna

414
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:45,280
international

415
00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:49,200
airport and escaped to the west

416
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,320
and he went all the way west

417
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:55,440
to utah now he hangs out in this ghost

418
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:55,840
town

419
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,360
right he owns it he owns it he bought it

420
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:01,919
and he builds these crazy planes and

421
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,000
test flies them there and

422
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,400
and sometimes throws a party or two how

423
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:07,840
crazy is that

424
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,480
that is your fader fact tonight deep

425
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,080
prasad joins us

426
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:14,880
for a discussion about the study of et

427
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,679
and ufos with modern physics and science

428
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,600
tomorrow night jay widener is here for

429
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,280
the life of terence mckenna

430
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,600
wednesday night carol and ford and

431
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,200
crystal skulls

432
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:27,200
thursday night another fader night with

433
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,880
open lines all night long it's a perfect

434
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:31,120
week here on fade to black

435
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,799
wow all right now

436
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,159
time for me to hit this river moon

437
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,600
coffee you better be drinking yours

438
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,640
you're gonna need it

439
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:40,960
after what you have do after you hear

440
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:42,840
what i have to say

441
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,590
happy birthday elf so elf is uh so i i

442
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:52,640
guess elf's birthday

443
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,880
is frozen oreo cookies and milk

444
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,880
and uh do you still light a candle

445
00:22:01,110 --> 00:22:00,640
though with that you could probably get

446
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:01,120
the

447
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:07,679
right if you don't you probably get it

448
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,799
right get a birthday candle in there

449
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:14,000
like that sucker up all right river moon

450
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,950
promo code f2b

451
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:25,520
blend gets you 50 off of your order

452
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,630
man good coffee

453
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,149
got coffee went down the wrong pipe

454
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,280
all right here we go i have been

455
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,400
sounding the alarm about

456
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,039
fake news social media and its effects

457
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:48,480
on the world for over

458
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,870
when i first started to speak out about

459
00:23:04,549 --> 00:22:56,480
it

460
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:04,559
specialists or reporting that was going

461
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:04,880
on

462
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,000
about it in the media oh no no i saw the

463
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,559
signs first in fact it was the exact

464
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,080
opposite

465
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:15,280
everything i spoke about was based on my

466
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,720
own

467
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,919
experiences and that's what you want to

468
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:19,039
know

469
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,240
what i was seeing and reading in real

470
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:29,110
myself like others my

471
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,080
own age many others my own age

472
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,720
have a very unique perspective on the

473
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,000
changes we are seeing today

474
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,600
because i grew up before the internet

475
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:44,799
age

476
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,400
stay with me i was just 30 years old

477
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,200
when the world started to change

478
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,240
and that is an age you know

479
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,080
30 years old more on that in just a

480
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,159
minute stay right there

481
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,600
that is an age where you are both

482
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:04,880
an adult and you think that

483
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,080
you are aware and you think that you

484
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,480
understand the world around you and now

485
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,640
you understand the future

486
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,200
that's what 30 years old is it's not 21

487
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:16,880
it's not 15 and it's not

488
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,480
50. 30 is unique

489
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,799
really is start to get your feet on the

490
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:24,320
ground for real

491
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:29,520
but then and that was 1990 91 92 93

492
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,720
the next 15 years after that would be

493
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:34,080
the most insane

494
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:38,720
period in human history that's right

495
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,159
and here is the really crazy part

496
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:45,600
right now on this planet we have

497
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,200
30 year olds 30 year olds

498
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,559
right now same age as i was then 30 year

499
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:53,840
olds today

500
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,120
who have experienced nothing

501
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:00,880
but the internet age they have nothing

502
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,750
this is their life

503
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,149
they know nothing else

504
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,149
this is a very very scary situation

505
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,840
take a time right now to absorb these

506
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:27,110
because today we are at the tipping

507
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:28,240
point

508
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,159
the significance of this cannot be

509
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,240
measured

510
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:39,520
it's it it's as simple as this the

511
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:40,559
generation

512
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:43,679
born after 1990 just

513
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:47,279
30 short years ago lives their life

514
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:48,159
today

515
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:52,400
on social media and the internet

516
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:55,440
their entire world is based on likes

517
00:26:03,029 --> 00:25:59,840
subs videos and comments both theirs

518
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:06,789
their friends their family

519
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,159
it's their news it's their entertainment

520
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,799
it's the comments and lives of

521
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,400
celebrities

522
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,789
right here

523
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:25,269
it's a world completely tailored for

524
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:25,840
them

525
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,640
their social media persona is custom

526
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,600
made

527
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:32,320
their news and youtube feed is unique to

528
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,960
them

529
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:35,679
their world is singular and nobody else

530
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,480
has it

531
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
they believe the real world is the one

532
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:41,840
that is created for them

533
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:45,240
by wait for it

534
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:50,830
[Music]

535
00:27:02,789 --> 00:26:59,350
code with no regulations

536
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:02,799
code with no laws

537
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:07,600
code with no oversight

538
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,960
today when we see protests in the

539
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,400
streets

540
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,360
young content creators live streaming in

541
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:16,559
anger

542
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,760
former friends battling it out on a

543
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,080
facebook thread

544
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,720
all of this is created by social media

545
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,279
and it's total control of the minds of

546
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,279
an entire generation

547
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,000
and they don't know any different this

548
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:33,600
is how the world

549
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:36,799
is to them and remember

550
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,950
when you see someone on facebook

551
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,200
complaining angry

552
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:50,320
and outright hostile over the left over

553
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,039
the right

554
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,840
over religion schools coronavirus or

555
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:54,960
virtually anything

556
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,360
it could be knitting and crocheting

557
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,640
you need to remember that they

558
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,000
are getting a world fed to them

559
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,880
in their news feed that is totally

560
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:09,919
different

561
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,470
you've heard it so many times before

562
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:17,039
it's like dude did you hear about

563
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:20,640
blah blah blah and your answer is no

564
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,919
i didn't hear that because you haven't

565
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,640
you know nothing about it your friend

566
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,200
doesn't understand that you don't know

567
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,799
because their entire news feed is filled

568
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:36,159
with nothing but

569
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:42,159
xyz your feed is the exact opposite

570
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,080
you're getting abc

571
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,080
you have a completely different view of

572
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,440
the world in fact

573
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,039
everyone has their own planet earth

574
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,200
and this is the problem in my opinion

575
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,279
and i've stated this many times in the

576
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past google

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00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,760
all of social media and the internet in

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general

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should have been left alone

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00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,039
once facebook youtube and google started

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to use targeted advertising to chase

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down bigger profits

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00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,399
things changed the automated algorithms

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altered the landscape

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00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,399
and most of this code is actually quite

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simple and runs all by

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itself 24 7 laser focused at

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each individual user of the internet

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without

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originally spawned for advertising

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00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:37,919
dollars

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00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:40,960
but today it's the creator

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00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,080
of worlds so

594
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,159
when you wonder why nobody understands

595
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
you and you think that everyone else

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00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,120
but you was trying to destroy the world

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00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:52,720
for no reason

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00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,919
because they are crazy well just think

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00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,720
about your news feed

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00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,039
because they are thinking the same thing

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00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:03,760
about you

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00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,360
it's not them it's not you

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it's an algorithm messing with your

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heads

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now although i've been thinking writing

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and

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00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,240
speaking about this for a very long time

608
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,480
and we've even covered it recently on

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00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,080
the h factor

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00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,960
there's a new documentary out right now

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that spells it out all for you it's

612
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,840
called

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00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:31,039
the social dilemma this documentary

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drama hybrid

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explores the dangerous human impact of

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social networking

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with the tech experts from facebook

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google apple twitter youtube and others

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warning you about the things

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that they have created the social

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dilemma is currently streaming on

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netflix and i don't know how you're

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but i can assure you of this you'll

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think twice about checking your news

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feed every five minutes of your day

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i guarantee it seriously

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this is fade to black i am your host

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deep prasad joins us for a discussion

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about the study of et and ufos

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with modern physics and science tomorrow

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night jay weidner is here that's right

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wednesday night carolyn ford crystal

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skulls

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thursday night is fader night you can

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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your host jimmy church

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what a great week on fade to black this

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week tonight d prasad of course

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00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,680
is here tomorrow night jay widener

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the life and times of terence mckenna

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wednesday night carolyn ford

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man crystal skulls what a great week and

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then thursday night of course

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is fader night with open lines all night

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00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,160
long tonight it's all about deep

734
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,680
deep prasad the ceo of reactive q

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00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,280
is one of the great young minds in

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00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:09,440
science and also offers a professional

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perspe

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00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:15,760
that's right tonight we're going to

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00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:18,079
discuss ufo research and how to apply

740
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,760
modern science and physics

741
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:23,040
to the known and unknown data that's my

742
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,480
favorite subject

743
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,160
deep and his company are aiming to

744
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:27,440
create the world's first quantum

745
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,240
computer

746
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,680
as well as work on producing

747
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,000
superconductors and meta materials

748
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,960
prasad is also an avid ufo advocate and

749
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,599
tonight

750
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,520
we're going to discuss all of it we're

751
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:38,880
going to go et

752
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,320
ufo research and study groups part of

753
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,240
reactive q's mission statement is that

754
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:46,160
they are actively engaged with

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00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,440
engineers to validate

756
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,680
the solution what does that mean

757
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,640
reactive

758
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,280
q dot io's the website and the links are

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00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:57,040
over at jimmychurchradio.com i'd like to

760
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:58,320
welcome back to fade to black the one

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00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,200
and only

762
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,760
deep prasad deep good evening man how

763
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,119
are you

764
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,680
uh really good jimmy thanks for asking

765
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:07,920
you know it's been a very productive day

766
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,240
uh

767
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:09,839
and any day that's productive day is a

768
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:12,160
good day and any day that we're alive

769
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:12,480
and

770
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,240
our existence is an even better day

771
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,160
so um uh yeah that being said

772
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:22,640
uh you know i've been really elated

773
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,200
about

774
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,920
the news that was published today that

775
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,640
many of us

776
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,640
you know kind of saw coming you know on

777
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,560
ufo twitter uh regarding the

778
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,599
venus announcement uh and the phosphene

779
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,960
so you know i was reading through some

780
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,200
of the papers uh

781
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,800
starting from of course the paper that

782
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:40,560
they made accessible today

783
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,680
um as well as some of the papers that

784
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:45,839
the lead scientists had published as

785
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,720
part of their

786
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,960
phd thesis it's interesting all of their

787
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:49,839
stuff

788
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,880
comes together these individuals the

789
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:54,240
scientists involved

790
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,280
have been working on this uh

791
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,320
you know study of phosphine uh

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00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,520
in the atmosphere of venus for

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00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,800
uh several years right um and and

794
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,720
i think the beautiful thing that we're

795
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:09,920
seeing here is a

796
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,920
very clear-cut analogy to how disclosure

797
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,000
on at the scientific scale is going to

798
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,520
look like where

799
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,599
you know we have this sort of twilight

800
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,520
zone right of people

801
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,000
who are saying you know there's this

802
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,839
plausible deniability at the moment

803
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:26,880
regarding

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00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,920
uh the results where people can believe

805
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,720
that it is either due to an unknown

806
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,680
chemistry

807
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:36,000
uh process that we have not understood

808
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,280
or discovered yet

809
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,320
or it is a bio signature of

810
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:42,480
extraterrestrial life

811
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,400
and in either case you know we have

812
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
uh almost like a tiebreaker that we need

813
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:52,560
uh and that tiebreaker is gathering the

814
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:53,200
actual

815
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,000
you know microbes in a petri dish

816
00:39:01,829 --> 00:39:00,079
that is the last step that's remaining

817
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,839
so with disclosure

818
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:04,240
we're kind of there too with uaps you

819
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:04,880
know

820
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,000
where we're one sort of amazing uh

821
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:10,720
scientific international study way from

822
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,359
proving that

823
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:14,000
uaps are scientifically real and not a

824
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,960
terrestrial

825
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,280
or any at least known source and then

826
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,880
we're going to have to do the same thing

827
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,440
too

828
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,359
uh as the guys who want to go to venus

829
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,880
when it comes to proving aliens does

830
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:23,680
that make sense

831
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:28,320
it does it does and i'm going with uh

832
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,240
uh i like the new uao

833
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,760
we want ufo to uap and now

834
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:38,960
uao i'm digging the uao which is

835
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,200
unidentified aerial object got it

836
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,800
i thought you're gonna say organism

837
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,320
because of the venus thing but

838
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:49,520
yeah right right now okay now check this

839
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:49,839
out

840
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,599
i love the word irony

841
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,280
for a lot of different reasons but you

842
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,440
can apply it all over the place

843
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:01,440
and is this is exciting news today from

844
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,119
uh uh venus for a lot of reasons

845
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,520
but i'm gonna get to the irony part in a

846
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,400
second

847
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:12,000
but here we have uh the possibility of

848
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,119
life on mars

849
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:15,599
is probably there right now it's it's

850
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,400
not that

851
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:19,520
hostile of an environment right now we

852
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,079
have

853
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:23,440
venus and venus

854
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,079
by all accounts just a billion years ago

855
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,119
was like hawaii right lush planet

856
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,880
great things were going on and we kind

857
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,720
of always knew that about venus but the

858
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:35,920
thing is this

859
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:38,319
it's 800 degrees on the surface now you

860
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:39,599
land you melt

861
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,960
no matter what it is but the thing is

862
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:44,640
here we have in our own solar system

863
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,640
when we're questioning

864
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,720
you know life out there in the galaxy in

865
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:50,000
in the milky way or throughout the

866
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,119
universe

867
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:54,640
that the two closest planets to us

868
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,280
life right and that that's what i think

869
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,319
is great news but

870
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,200
let me get to the irony part sure

871
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,040
phosphine

872
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,079
you know what it really is

873
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,480
you mean like the chemical composition

874
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:10,079
like in terms of the fact this

875
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:11,280
phosphorus and three

876
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,319
like hydrogen atoms or okay

877
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:16,000
this is where you got to take your geek

878
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,240
hat off

879
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,520
phosphine is swamp gas

880
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,480
oh oh yeah that's hilarious isn't that

881
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,319
hilarious i mean that is super

882
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,000
synchronistic

883
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,880
almost at a fishy level i am wondering

884
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,280
about that that is strange

885
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,480
that is the trippiest of all

886
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,880
and uh now that i've let everybody know

887
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,800
really what we're talking about here

888
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,119
uh whenever we talk about venus or

889
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,880
phosphine in the future we're all gonna

890
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,000
snicker just a little

891
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:51,280
bit because of the irony there of of

892
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,400
this discovery

893
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,040
but yeah very exciting day no doubt

894
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,560
about it and of course the news out of

895
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,920
japan

896
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:00,319
all right looks like uh they've got a

897
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:01,599
new directorate

898
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:04,720
to the uh the japanese defense forces

899
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,400
and uh that they are going to be

900
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:11,599
reporting any uaos

901
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:15,119
unidentified aerial objects and they are

902
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:15,760
going to

903
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,640
include in in the reports in the

904
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,839
research

905
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,200
and the investigation civilian

906
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:26,240
reports from the public now that's

907
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,079
pretty interesting that is uh that is

908
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,560
actually great news so that's that's the

909
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,480
way that i look at it and before we get

910
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:35,839
started

911
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,480
uh deep uh today with all of this

912
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,240
exciting news and you doing your thing

913
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:42,960
and you got a company to run and stuff

914
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:46,960
yes sir did you today

915
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,280
read or write math

916
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,839
yes you did you did you did did you do

917
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,240
an algorithm today what did you do

918
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,640
so um so one of the things that i'm

919
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:00,160
doing is just building my

920
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:04,480
own uh custom uh simulator it's not like

921
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:05,040
a

922
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,480
like

923
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,880
homework quantum calculations uh when it

924
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,000
comes to like

925
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,800
one qubit and two qubit gate operations

926
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,880
right and so one qubit two qubit gate

927
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:27,920
operations are mathematically matrices

928
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:28,960
that you

929
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,359
apply and multiply to a vector that

930
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,800
vector represents

931
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,560
your quantum state and your quantum

932
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,440
state represents your qubits

933
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,839
and so there's a certain number kinds of

934
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,119
gates that you'll

935
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,920
apply again and again and again and for

936
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,359
certain kinds of problems let's say

937
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,280
you're doing material science problems

938
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,880
there may be certain kinds of things

939
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:51,280
that you want to do again and again

940
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,680
right

941
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:55,200
so uh um so i'm always building you know

942
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,079
on this little

943
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,079
um personal simulator so that's what i

944
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:00,160
did one of the things that i did today

945
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,960
was just double check my math so i could

946
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:03,920
transfer it

947
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,560
you know onto code and then now like i

948
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,520
have this little

949
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:09,359
you know unique calculator for my

950
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,960
research just like

951
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,119
yeah that was my next question okay are

952
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,560
you white boarding this

953
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,800
or are you using a calculator in a

954
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,079
computer so these days

955
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,160
when when i had access to you know an

956
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,560
office space uh i could white board

957
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,839
and i have a small little white board

958
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,319
you know uh um well two now uh

959
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,760
at home but yeah i actually just my

960
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,040
my place is trying to look more like a

961
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:33,839
math science uh lab day by day like

962
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,400
thanks to

963
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,040
covid uh you know i have tons of copies

964
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,800
like notebooks that i fill out

965
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,119
literally hundreds probably thousands of

966
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,960
pages at this point man like

967
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,599
you know over the past uh two two three

968
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,720
four years so

969
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,240
yeah right now uh sean carroll

970
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,119
started a new web series and i think

971
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,800
it's called

972
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:56,800
you know sean carroll the physicist here

973
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,400
at uh caltech

974
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,560
uh i think it's called the world's

975
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:02,079
biggest problem

976
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,000
or problems i think that's what it's

977
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:06,000
something similar to that okay

978
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,319
anyway so he he whiteboards

979
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:13,920
so he's he'll take uh a physics

980
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,280
issue quantum physics issue and

981
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,960
start with uh the statement

982
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,440
and then the question right the journey

983
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,440
is laid out there he does a visual

984
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,800
description

985
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:29,599
and then he starts man he starts upper

986
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:30,800
left hand corner

987
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:34,240
and he's whiteboarding out all of the

988
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:34,960
math

989
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,319
and and and gets to the end

990
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:41,119
uh by the end of the video which is you

991
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,440
know

992
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,680
hour hour and a half long and it's

993
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:44,880
fascinating

994
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,839
to see the process of of working through

995
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,599
the equations it's it's

996
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,079
i'm not quite a physicist but i'm

997
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,359
feeling smarter

998
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,400
it's it's pretty cool awesome

999
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,640
and you know the right ones uh do

1000
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,400
literally make you smarter

1001
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:02,480
when you listen to them well see it's a

1002
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,800
there is there's an art form

1003
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:07,599
um if we go back you know to like

1004
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,480
feinman

1005
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,240
and and others uh john wheeler

1006
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,920
um that were really really

1007
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,760
good kip thorne's really good at this

1008
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,440
too and uh

1009
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:22,000
uh so many others anyway we don't need

1010
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:23,200
to go down the list

1011
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,359
but physics and quantum physics

1012
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:30,000
needs i mean it's supported by the math

1013
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:30,960
of course

1014
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,839
but it needs a storyteller it needs an

1015
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:34,800
orator

1016
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:38,240
you need to be able to get the the

1017
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,240
symbols the equations into a visual

1018
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,160
sense so people understand what the heck

1019
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:45,520
you're talking about

1020
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:47,680
and that's that was that's what was so

1021
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:49,040
great about feynman right

1022
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,720
he could uh lay this out in a way that

1023
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:54,480
everybody could understand

1024
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:57,440
and then go back to uh you know the

1025
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,160
chalkboard

1026
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,160
and the whiteboard and look at the

1027
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,200
equations

1028
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,440
but unless you have a good storyteller a

1029
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,200
good physicist that can

1030
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,880
you know tell you what he's thinking and

1031
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,359
what his journey is going to encompass

1032
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,280
it's it's meaningless to the public

1033
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,200
isn't it

1034
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,680
that is very true um and it's going to

1035
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,000
be true with our relationship with

1036
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,880
the robots that we build as well uh so

1037
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,920
one of the

1038
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,319
you know problems that i run into with

1039
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,520
my own research

1040
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:28,559
is the sort of self and

1041
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:32,000
accepting or admittance that the kind of

1042
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,559
data

1043
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,319
the kind of simulations that we're going

1044
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,440
to be producing you know related to

1045
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,040
our systems as these quantum computers

1046
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,960
get bigger uh related to

1047
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,800
let's say materials potential new

1048
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:45,119
materials uh to be tested out

1049
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,319
in the real world it's going to surpass

1050
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,359
uh the amount of just like

1051
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,119
brain power raw brain power that we

1052
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:55,119
would have to process that data

1053
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,839
naturally

1054
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,040
so we are going to have to look to ai

1055
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,319
agents to sort through you know all this

1056
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,520
sort of simulation

1057
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,319
and engineering data that we're getting

1058
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,000
out of our computers

1059
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:10,720
um and it's going to be very interesting

1060
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,200
right

1061
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,599
where where we have to hope i'll give an

1062
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:15,920
example like if that sounds too abstract

1063
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,640
um let's say that let's say that elon

1064
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:19,520
wants to

1065
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:23,359
make uh let's say like he's been egged

1066
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,400
on and up right

1067
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:27,119
uh about the whole uap situation the tic

1068
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,240
tacs and he's like

1069
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,319
all right uh let's figure out how

1070
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,680
quickly can we

1071
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:34,160
uh pivot from the kind of technology

1072
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,440
that we're building

1073
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,480
right now um for spacex uh to

1074
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,839
tic tac level technology um if you were

1075
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,119
to black box that

1076
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,760
problem what you could do let's say at a

1077
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:46,720
very naive

1078
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,760
uh method could be just

1079
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:52,319
trying to match the velocity and the

1080
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,359
acceleration

1081
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,200
that the tick tock was able the

1082
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:57,359
tic-tac-it was able to do right

1083
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:01,119
so um so the tic tac you know right it

1084
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,440
was

1085
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,520
able to do at least officially uh

1086
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,359
roughly mach 31

1087
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,680
um and you know for context something

1088
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:09,359
that always blows my mind is when we

1089
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,640
compare it to the

1090
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,480
international space station which i

1091
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:15,359
believe travels at mach 25

1092
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:18,480
so um you know you know so uh elon could

1093
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,119
try to

1094
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:22,559
1000 g

1095
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,000
forces plus now in order to get there

1096
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,079
one might argue that it's of course a

1097
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,920
theoretical physics problem right of

1098
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,680
course is an engineering problem in

1099
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,200
science problem

1100
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:35,200
and and one half of the equation is

1101
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:36,880
going to be the kinds of

1102
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:39,440
materials at least one half of it is the

1103
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,480
materials

1104
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,960
required to build such a craft right how

1105
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,760
do they

1106
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,480
function together what is so magical

1107
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,559
about the skin in the interior

1108
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,359
that allows uh for them to you know for

1109
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,760
to manipulate space time potentially

1110
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,319
right or how is that being done and so

1111
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:58,800
uh when you look at that problem

1112
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:01,839
uh imagine felon decided okay well you

1113
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:02,240
know

1114
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,920
i don't want to wait until 200 or 300

1115
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,839
years to see that technology in my

1116
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:08,880
lifetime

1117
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:12,559
i want uh to do it now um well what you

1118
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,200
could do

1119
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,400
is if you had a very powerful computer

1120
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,880
that had both uh classical computing

1121
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:19,920
capabilities

1122
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:25,119
computer would be able to sort through

1123
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:26,559
quantum data

1124
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,119
that's really important because

1125
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,359
every material in the end of the day

1126
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,440
every superconductor

1127
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,880
right everything that may have

1128
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,599
anti-gravity property should they exist

1129
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:42,160
will have a what you can think of as a

1130
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:42,960
genome

1131
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,000
right like a fingerprint a clear

1132
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:49,040
description um using purely quantum

1133
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,079
mechanics

1134
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,000
um and the treatment of quantum

1135
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:54,160
mechanics sorry so um

1136
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,839
that's the that's the magic is one of

1137
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,359
the things that richard feynman

1138
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,359
by the way i'm sure you know this but

1139
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,640
for the audience well

1140
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:03,599
uh richard feynman is technically the

1141
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,400
father of quantum computing he's the guy

1142
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,520
who uh suggested what it

1143
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,359
why we would even need one in the first

1144
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,800
place and describe what

1145
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:15,119
it would be and what it would do and the

1146
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,920
whole point

1147
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:18,800
was uh he's very famous for saying this

1148
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,280
quote

1149
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,400
uh and he says that nature is

1150
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:25,440
quantum mechanical damage so in order to

1151
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,480
simulate it

1152
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,440
you need a computer or a system that is

1153
00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:30,960
quantum mechanical

1154
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,160
in nature so um that's what we're

1155
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,280
dealing with here if you want to bypass

1156
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,000
the sort of dumb trial and error way of

1157
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:41,680
doing science that we've been doing for

1158
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,480
the past

1159
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:45,440
hundreds thousands of years you treat

1160
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:45,760
you

1161
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,599
a quantum computer

1162
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,680
to figure out how to find those

1163
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,960
materials instead

1164
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,119
for you but then at that point there's

1165
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:57,040
that knowledge gap right so that's why i

1166
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,319
bring that up because

1167
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,079
right now we have these knowledge gaps

1168
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,680
between let's say

1169
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,680
like genius theoretical physicists like

1170
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,520
feynman and everybody else

1171
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:08,400
but even that gap can somewhat be uh

1172
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,960
kind of

1173
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,119
overcome through communication through

1174
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,960
being a good communicator

1175
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,280
i don't know if we'll we figure that out

1176
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,200
yet with our machines

1177
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,920
um so yeah yeah yeah that's a that's a

1178
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,119
really great point

1179
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:24,000
and there is another aspect to this one

1180
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,119
that we are going

1181
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,280
it's a great segue that we're going to

1182
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:29,440
be discussing a lot tonight

1183
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:32,480
in that uh when you bring up

1184
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:35,440
uh physics and and especially the

1185
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:36,000
quantum

1186
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:39,359
side of it mechanics in theory

1187
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,280
is this is stuff that in a general sense

1188
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,040
we can't see okay that's that's it we we

1189
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,480
can't see it

1190
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:51,040
we know it's there we know it exists and

1191
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,760
we can

1192
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,720
plug in the numbers but that's what you

1193
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,760
do

1194
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:58,400
theoretical right and you're trying to

1195
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:58,880
measure

1196
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,359
you're trying to observe and then you're

1197
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:02,800
trying to get the results

1198
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,079
that's that's it in a nutshell and

1199
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,720
physics as crazy and as complicated as

1200
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,440
it is

1201
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:11,359
you're always going to start with the

1202
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,599
basics just like you said

1203
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,359
you're gonna have something is gonna

1204
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,280
move something's gonna have

1205
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,599
mass and something's gonna have speed

1206
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,040
you're gonna have a point a

1207
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,280
you're gonna have a point b if you have

1208
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,800
all of those numbers then you start

1209
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,760
plugging them

1210
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,400
in and then you can start to work your

1211
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:29,440
way forward

1212
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:32,720
and as complex as it is if you know

1213
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:33,119
those

1214
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,160
general things about physics you can

1215
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,920
if you know if you want to just apply

1216
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:39,359
yourself you can

1217
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,400
follow your way through the method

1218
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,040
to get to the end results that's why

1219
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,440
elon would be able to do what he's going

1220
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,400
to do

1221
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,599
which is also that application

1222
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,640
d deep of the

1223
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,960
unknown and trying to turn it into the

1224
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,839
known

1225
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,599
is the same thing when you're studying

1226
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,040
ufos

1227
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,000
right is it the same methodology where

1228
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,920
we have all these great unknowns we have

1229
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,520
some knowns

1230
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,000
right we have photographs and videos we

1231
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,079
have speed we have color

1232
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:15,200
we have uh time we have distances we

1233
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,079
have location

1234
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,240
we have a lot of data that we can plug

1235
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,549
but we have data that we can't plug in

1236
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,800
that we have to figure out right so

1237
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
are the same two i know it sounds crazy

1238
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,240
but are the two fields actually closer

1239
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,190
yes um i i certainly think so and in

1240
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:38,640
more ways than one right

1241
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,160
uh so one abstract way that um

1242
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,200
the two fields are very deeply

1243
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,400
related uh i think is that

1244
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,319
if we are dealing with um here's two

1245
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,160
things so if we're dealing with

1246
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,559
uh let's say just let's deal with the

1247
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,440
eth

1248
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:59,599
write the extraterrestrial hypothesis

1249
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,960
per second where we have

1250
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,280
yeah these physical um you know

1251
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,079
biological life forms from other planets

1252
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,680
if they can get here then at the very

1253
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,680
least their material science and their

1254
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,400
engineering is more advanced than ours

1255
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:13,920
and if that is the case

1256
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,440
then they would absolutely have a better

1257
00:55:20,789 --> 00:55:19,280
understanding of quantum mechanics in

1258
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,799
general relativity

1259
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,160
and we don't know you know how they

1260
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,400
would perceive physics uh

1261
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,359
there's also uh uh something about

1262
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:29,119
structural realism which we'll talk

1263
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:29,839
about

1264
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:32,799
uh uh later um but it's totally worth

1265
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:33,520
getting into

1266
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,559
um and it's relevant to the et uh and

1267
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,839
just like aliens in general

1268
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:40,640
the idea of non-human life but anyways

1269
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,200
um

1270
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,319
so you so those guys would have

1271
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:47,359
the ability uh and they would know more

1272
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,200
physical immersion properties of matter

1273
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,720
than we do um and so again like

1274
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,359
like calculating that or finding that is

1275
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:58,640
a quantum physics

1276
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,599
uh phenomena or quantum physics problem

1277
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,400
so

1278
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:05,040
there's a world right there where or a

1279
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,839
scenario

1280
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,119
where the intersection of quantum

1281
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:09,599
physics intersects uaps

1282
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:12,720
directly where we are looking at all

1283
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,119
right

1284
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,599
can a our models of physics describe

1285
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,200
what we're seeing and if not

1286
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,599
what is the difference um and is the

1287
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:20,240
difference

1288
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,640
because we're observing materials

1289
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:27,040
that we can discover using existing

1290
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,920
tools right

1291
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,480
using our existing quantum computers or

1292
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:32,640
is it materials that just simply cannot

1293
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:33,760
be discovered

1294
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:36,160
uh using quantum mechanics based tools

1295
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,200
and it's something

1296
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,960
even deeper and more advanced and

1297
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:40,799
something that we haven't conceptualized

1298
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,520
yet

1299
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,400
um you know you you can never rule that

1300
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:45,680
out uh i don't

1301
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:49,280
think that's the case though i think uh

1302
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,880
yeah um i think uh any species that we

1303
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:55,040
can actually physically observe that has

1304
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:58,000
mass um that isn't of course tricking us

1305
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:59,599
right assuming that this isn't the

1306
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:00,319
trickster

1307
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,480
right or some super intelligence is

1308
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,680
messing with us

1309
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:06,000
uh then uh you know those guys are

1310
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:07,440
probably not

1311
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,720
that much too much far beyond you know

1312
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,960
quantum mechanics as we know it right

1313
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,920
their idea of

1314
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,400
atomic physics would definitely be a lot

1315
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,440
more advanced

1316
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,880
but i don't think it would be so

1317
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,720
advanced that like

1318
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,920
they would be considered

1319
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:23,359
multi-dimensional or had those

1320
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,480
capabilities

1321
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,200
for example uh like and that's because

1322
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:28,319
you know they have to move around

1323
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,040
physically

1324
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,079
and so if you stay if you stay

1325
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:35,440
inside of eth sure

1326
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,000
right that's you you're you have to stay

1327
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:39,839
inside of vth for that too

1328
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:42,640
uh to apply let me ask you this we've

1329
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:45,359
got two minutes to the break

1330
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,640
our what we have

1331
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:51,839
how do i say this right our

1332
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,079
version of the laws of physics

1333
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,240
that apply here on earth because that is

1334
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,720
based around gravity here on earth and

1335
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:02,720
other things there's a lot of elements

1336
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,000
to it but

1337
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:07,520
our laws of physics as they apply to us

1338
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,440
do they apply in zeta reticuli do they

1339
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,960
apply an andromeda

1340
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:15,119
you know another galaxy that is 2

1341
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,880
million light years away

1342
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,359
same laws of physics or would they be

1343
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,280
different

1344
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,079
so as far as we've observed you know

1345
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:25,839
they all follow the same

1346
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,119
laws of physics right uh um at least in

1347
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,119
the observable what's called a hubble

1348
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,240
volume uh right everything we've ever

1349
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:36,720
we and what we can observe and measure

1350
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,280
um

1351
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:40,240
through the hubble telescope has

1352
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:41,119
followed

1353
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,400
the kinds of physics and has broken

1354
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,240
the kinds of physics that we thought we

1355
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,319
knew in the same kinds of ways the same

1356
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,680
consistent ways

1357
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,640
but it's still totally open-ended as far

1358
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,760
as we know

1359
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:56,400
uh you know um it's a very open-ended

1360
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:57,599
question in physics right

1361
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:01,280
is the laws of the universe right laws

1362
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,000
of physics

1363
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,400
uniform right outside of the hubble

1364
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,079
volume right what what if

1365
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,920
right outside of what we can observe and

1366
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,520
measure like let's say

1367
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,280
a billion light years outside of that

1368
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:12,720
past that point

1369
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,760
uh you know gravity is upside down right

1370
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,200
like everything that's what i'm saying

1371
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:18,960
yeah exactly

1372
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,160
exactly well in another if

1373
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,559
there's the multiverse aspect of this

1374
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,400
and in another universe

1375
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:28,559
they could have a completely different

1376
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:37,510
that's right exactly so like in a

1377
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,079
different

1378
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,040
world anything that yeah exactly um that

1379
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:43,520
opens up so it's where sean carroll's

1380
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,640
work really comes in

1381
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,559
right we can talk about this you know

1382
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,240
after the break as well

1383
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,599
but you know the multiverse

1384
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,680
interpretation uh

1385
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,200
and all the different interpretation

1386
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:55,119
quantum mechanics plays a role

1387
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:58,160
too um but we'll talk about structural

1388
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,359
realism

1389
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:02,000
as well because uh now that you

1390
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,680
mentioned it right that's the next

1391
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:05,680
question that we need to be answering

1392
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,200
is um basically uh whether

1393
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:11,040
because it matters about it affects how

1394
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:12,160
we can communicate with other

1395
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,079
intelligences how much we can

1396
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,319
convey how much information but

1397
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:18,960
basically structural realism

1398
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,160
looks at and is looks at

1399
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:25,440
the belief of whether the math of

1400
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,839
a physics equation actually represents

1401
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,040
what's happening

1402
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,720
underneath like whether it represents

1403
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:32,960
true reality or base reality or whether

1404
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,599
it's just

1405
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,760
a good description a good approximation

1406
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,280
right a lot of people believe

1407
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:38,720
mathematics is just something we

1408
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,040
invented it's not something you discover

1409
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,799
a facet of the universe

1410
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,960
but if it is something you discover a

1411
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,400
facet of the universe something

1412
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,160
objectively you'll keep coming

1413
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,000
across again and again then

1414
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:52,240
theoretically there are ways

1415
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,520
of having a universal language that is

1416
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:57,280
mathematically based we can talk about

1417
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,000
this

1418
01:01:01,510 --> 01:01:00,319
um or at least convey just mathematical

1419
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,520
truths universally

1420
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,319
to other species that's super cool right

1421
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,400
using something called category theory

1422
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,880
that's right yeah yeah let's cover that

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when we come back after the break our

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guest tonight deep prasad

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we are going to tonight cover

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ufo research and how to apply modern

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science and physics

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to the known and unknown data don't get

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no much

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better than that and that's my broken

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kicking off this week tonight deep

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prasad is here tomorrow night

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jay widener wednesday night carolyn ford

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thursday night vader night open lines

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all night long

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tonight me versailles we are discussing

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how to apply modern science and physics

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to

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all of the known and unknown data when

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it comes to

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investigating and researching

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extraterrestrial intelligence ufos uaps

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now uaos now deep

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uh we're going to get to uh structural

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realism

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uh here in a second uh but i want to

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actually respond and i know that you're

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hanging

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out on twitter you can see what's going

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on kim uh

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just posted this question and i think

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it's an excellent one

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she says uh uh can you give us

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a layperson's version of sean

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carroll's multiverse theory and it

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and even i think even sean

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struggles with it at times because it

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gets

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way out there um and it's it's hard for

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people to

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accept what the physics

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is suggesting here um but

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let's let's take a crack at it i really

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enjoy this subject

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sure so uh i first of all i love that

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question

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um it all stems from

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we have to go all the way back to the

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early

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1900s when quantum mechanics was

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being sort of formed and discovered

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by the fathers right werner heisenberg

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bore einstein irwin schrodinger

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paul dirac and many other people and

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one of the things that you know they

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agreed on was mathematical structure

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right

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that's why quantum mechanics is

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successful because

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it actually has make successful

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predictions

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based on

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on hardcore math um but what was

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very uh sort of subjective was the

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interpretation

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of what that math said about the

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underlying nature of reality itself

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um and so that's where the multiverse

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comes in

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and the whole idea of the multiverse

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interpretation

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and and hypothesis uh in the many worlds

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uh

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interpretation all that stuff um it all

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stems from

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the idea of the wave function uh

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and so basically in in quantum mechanics

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when we want to describe

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the state of a system right a quantum

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state

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mathematically what people will say is

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oh that's a ray in the complex hilbert

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space right it's a two to the n

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dimensional

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uh in the two num to the end of metro

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hilbert's space

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but um physically though right uh

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the the crazy part is that we can only

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describe whatever it is that we can

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measure

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but we can't describe uh with any kind

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of

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math exactly what is happening when

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something when a quantum state

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is in a superposition so when

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you have a wave function right that

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is uh that describes a a true quantum

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state right something that is in a

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superposition

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that is a a very fascinating

1649
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uh problem because in the end of day

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what we're saying

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is that all measurements all

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measurements related quantum system

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all measurables and observables are

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defined by the wave function right the

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wave function

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defines the probability amplitudes so

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basically

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what we know for fact is the probability

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of measuring something for a given

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measurable encode by the way function

1661
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:54,239
but we can never know for sure what uh

1662
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:57,679
outcome we will get right so so uh

1663
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,280
what happened is this argument ensued

1664
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,440
about the nature of the collapse of the

1665
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,719
wave function

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01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:07,199
right so what we all agree on is the

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measurables

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01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:10,800
but um some people will say that the

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wave function

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01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:14,480
which um and and we'll describe think of

1671
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,280
it i

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01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,320
i don't want to like uh

1673
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:21,199
you know describe it in such a way that

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01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,840
people

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01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:24,000
get the wrong visual picture it's very

1676
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,440
important to have the right

1677
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:27,199
visual picture when it comes to this

1678
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:28,560
stuff so

1679
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,600
so when i say wave function um

1680
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,760
i think that what we should really do is

1681
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,800
look at the

1682
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,400
go back to the whole double slit

1683
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:38,719
experiment it's really like commonly

1684
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,760
used for a reason

1685
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,320
and that's because that's sort of the

1686
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,480
the most comprehensive experiment that

1687
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,000
you can do that sort of

1688
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,840
encompasses all the weirdness of quantum

1689
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,360
mechanics including

1690
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,280
the fact that the wave function even

1691
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:52,960
exists in the first place

1692
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:56,239
so so so so so uh right so like

1693
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,719
uh typically um the whole point with

1694
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,239
that double slit experiment

1695
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:02,719
is that when you fire just a single

1696
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,600
particle

1697
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:06,239
let's say electron uh it should just

1698
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:06,640
stay

1699
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,560
as one single particle and go through

1700
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,239
just one single slit

1701
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,400
yet for one for some reason when you're

1702
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,480
not making a measurement

1703
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,480
on the system you're not measuring which

1704
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:18,960
slit the electron went through

1705
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:22,080
it behaves as if it was a wave that

1706
01:12:26,709 --> 01:12:23,600
collided with itself

1707
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,719
that's where the whole um and so the

1708
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:27,840
reason why that

1709
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,239
is uh we can only infer from the math

1710
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,120
right like we we don't we can only we

1711
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,960
know the how we don't know the y's

1712
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,840
so so the fact that it ends up as a wave

1713
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:41,199
now by the way right that

1714
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:44,080
that wave pattern is no surprise um

1715
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,560
because

1716
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:46,880
now we know that oh okay you can

1717
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:47,679
describe that

1718
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,199
using the wave function um aka

1719
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:54,640
you can uh describe that by using

1720
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,520
um you know complex analysis and

1721
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,120
category theory

1722
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,239
uh to describe that but but again

1723
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,960
the actual behavior of why it is that

1724
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:06,000
the particle

1725
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,560
ends up being measured at the end as if

1726
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,239
it behaved as a wave

1727
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:12,719
that's up for debate so now enter sean

1728
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:13,440
carroll

1729
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:19,760
the particle acts as if it became a wave

1730
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:23,120
version of itself and and collided with

1731
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,000
itself

1732
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,640
because mathematically it's very

1733
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,080
intuitive it sounds simple

1734
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,400
but but it's it's it's it's yeah it's

1735
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,239
very uh interesting but

1736
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,960
he's basically saying because the mac

1737
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,480
describes

1738
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:39,840
a particle you know moving and having

1739
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,320
had to

1740
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:42,400
behave like a wave and colliding with

1741
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,360
itself

1742
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:45,600
right uh basically saying that the wave

1743
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,400
function is

1744
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,880
real like he's he's saying that each

1745
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,719
branch each possibility that the wave

1746
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:52,080
function describes

1747
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:54,480
is a physical reality right and we all

1748
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:55,679
just live on different

1749
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,360
um uh branches so he's basically saying

1750
01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:01,040
that the simplest way of interpreting

1751
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,719
this wave-like behavior

1752
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:05,600
is simply by assuming that there we

1753
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:06,159
literally

1754
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,199
wait live you know in this uh

1755
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,320
reality let's call it a multiverse uh

1756
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,159
where there's this one sort of wave

1757
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:16,800
function that rules them all

1758
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:19,120
uh and we all whenever we make a

1759
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,080
measurement

1760
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,560
all we're doing is just tapping into

1761
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:24,640
that wave function we're on we're only

1762
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:25,520
making

1763
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,719
one we're just one instantiation of this

1764
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,239
wave function

1765
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:32,000
where we're making that measurement

1766
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:33,280
right and so

1767
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,280
that's the crazy part because in

1768
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,120
classical physics in the day-to-day

1769
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:39,280
world in the non-quantum world

1770
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,400
objects only behave with definitive

1771
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:43,920
characteristics they have

1772
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:46,080
what what i would describe a definite

1773
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,360
eigen state right

1774
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,480
i would describe them using um so

1775
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,719
so basically you know i only have one

1776
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,400
pair of headphones it's not

1777
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,440
it's not like i can't tell you exactly

1778
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,440
where it is right or exactly let's see

1779
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:01,120
how fast it's going

1780
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:04,480
um so we have this sort of

1781
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:07,760
a privilege in the classical world um

1782
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,120
where we expect objects to behave uh

1783
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,080
with definitive attributes and qualities

1784
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:15,679
whereas in quantum mechanics

1785
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,880
uh you know you you don't have that so

1786
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,800
again uh sean carroll is trying to

1787
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,640
describe

1788
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:25,520
and explain part of that right and so it

1789
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:26,560
all goes back

1790
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,400
to the very fact that that you know

1791
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:32,719
it it's very simple right an object when

1792
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:33,760
fired

1793
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:37,280
uh let's say uh at a wall right if i

1794
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:38,880
throw a ball at a wall

1795
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:41,600
and it bounces back uh it can only

1796
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,560
bounce back

1797
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,880
um with the same amount with the

1798
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,719
conservative amount of force that i put

1799
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:48,159
in through at the ball right the

1800
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:49,199
conservation of

1801
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,679
applies at most the ball cannot come

1802
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:54,640
back at with me

1803
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,199
at me with more power and speed than i

1804
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:59,840
put into it when i threw it at the wall

1805
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:02,400
um and so these are all classical

1806
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:02,960
physics

1807
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:05,600
intuitions but what's happening in the

1808
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,120
quantum mechanics world right

1809
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:09,360
is you're essentially throwing that ball

1810
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,239
at the wall

1811
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:12,000
and it's no longer going in the

1812
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,440
direction you expect it

1813
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,600
it's almost following this wave like

1814
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:17,920
pattern when you're not measuring it

1815
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,400
that's just so freaking weird right so

1816
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,480
so basically sean is saying that yes

1817
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:25,040
the the we kind of live in this wave

1818
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,920
function

1819
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,520
uh does that make sense and we can keep

1820
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:30,080
going deeper but

1821
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:33,280
and and to take it one step further

1822
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:37,199
and especially for clarity is that

1823
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:41,199
what sean is saying is that you have to

1824
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:41,600
ex

1825
01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:44,880
if you accept the math the way it

1826
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:48,520
is now that every

1827
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:52,960
possibility exists and happens

1828
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:56,480
our our world here where we are

1829
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:00,239
is one instance of something happening

1830
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:03,679
but every other possibility of

1831
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,560
your decision your action whatever it

1832
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,159
may be

1833
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:11,600
also happens somewhere else

1834
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:14,719
to the infinite and that is

1835
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,640
the part that most people can't wrap

1836
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:18,480
their head around

1837
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,520
and it's the classical thing there is uh

1838
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:23,760
you know i've heard sean say it and

1839
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:26,480
and brian green and others say that well

1840
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:30,159
in this world today i had a ham sandwich

1841
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,520
and the next world i didn't right i had

1842
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:35,440
one with cheese

1843
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,320
and right and that that that's the part

1844
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,159
of the fantastical

1845
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:42,159
right the science fictional side of it

1846
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,520
that where people just

1847
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,920
kind of stopping oh wait a minute now

1848
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:47,760
you're asking a bit too much

1849
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,159
of us to to believe and to understand

1850
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,360
what you are suggesting right

1851
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,280
well well it's hard because like man

1852
01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:59,040
like as somebody who literally

1853
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:01,840
uh does quantum computing research all

1854
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:02,480
day

1855
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:05,840
long like for a living uh i i am

1856
01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:08,000
constantly wondering where the hell is

1857
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:09,760
all this quantum information stored

1858
01:18:16,310 --> 01:18:13,199
right like how where how does nature do

1859
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,320
the bookkeeping like we exploit it we

1860
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:18,239
know how to mathematically

1861
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,840
do some very amazing things uh but

1862
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:24,960
you know where is that right and cons

1863
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:27,760
and so like that's like i i think like

1864
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,239
sean

1865
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:30,800
sense that you have to almost accept

1866
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,679
that there are

1867
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:34,719
other worlds out there uh when you start

1868
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:36,080
thinking about these things

1869
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,960
so yeah there's an intuitive way

1870
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:40,560
basically is what i'm trying to get at

1871
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:41,360
that you can

1872
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:44,159
come to these conclusions uh from an

1873
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,440
information science

1874
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:48,320
perspective purely about the multiverse

1875
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:49,600
now let's get back

1876
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:52,800
to uh the structural realism

1877
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,080
uh definition what is it gladly so

1878
01:19:02,470 --> 01:18:59,199
uh structural realism looks at

1879
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:02,480
whether uh um or not um

1880
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,480
the nature of reality is actually

1881
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:09,280
inherently the way that math describes

1882
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,600
it

1883
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:12,960
right so so is there uh

1884
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,080
basically a deeper um sort of

1885
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:18,400
nature to reality that math can't

1886
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:19,520
capture

1887
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:22,800
um and so structural realists uh will

1888
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:23,199
say

1889
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:26,880
that that's not the case um and so

1890
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:28,960
oh hold on hold on we gotta clean that

1891
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:30,800
up a little bit

1892
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,830
okay uh i i structural

1893
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:42,320
realism let's let's see if we can get it

1894
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,679
down to more real

1895
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:45,520
uh you know talk to me like i'm five

1896
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,910
sure okay sure so uh that's

1897
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:53,600
that's an interesting uh challenge for

1898
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,320
this but of course absolutely so

1899
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,360
um okay let's try this again with

1900
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,199
structural realism and let's assume

1901
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,040
you're five-year-old we'll make it even

1902
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,520
harder a five-year-old who has done

1903
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:07,840
no mathematics whatsoever you just have

1904
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:09,199
like an intuitive

1905
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:12,800
uh idea of it um basically

1906
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,080
structural realism in your case will say

1907
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,800
uh is okay so i don't know if you know

1908
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,239
this but you know when you jump from a

1909
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:22,000
high distance like have you ever jumped

1910
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:22,800
from let's say

1911
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,320
uh a height of four feet or or any

1912
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:29,360
only distance notice how your knees bend

1913
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,880
like have you ever noticed that yeah you

1914
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:33,520
just kind of bend uh and reduce okay

1915
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:36,320
so that's really cool because what's

1916
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:37,280
really happening

1917
01:20:41,669 --> 01:20:41,120
there is a very simple calculation for

1918
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:41,679
power

1919
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,880
is energy over time so the smaller

1920
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:46,320
amount of time

1921
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:48,880
uh you concentrate a higher amount of

1922
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:50,719
energy the greater amount of power you

1923
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,520
have

1924
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:54,480
um and so when humans are falling from a

1925
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,960
high

1926
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:57,600
you know bit of ground when they when

1927
01:21:03,350 --> 01:20:58,159
they

1928
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:03,360
immediately bending their knees to

1929
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,639
increase the time

1930
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:07,280
so increase the denominator and reduce

1931
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,000
the power

1932
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,960
so aka reduce the amount of force that's

1933
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,320
felt on their body

1934
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:15,120
right all in one go so our bodies

1935
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,960
naturally do that kind of thing without

1936
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:18,320
knowing this physics

1937
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:21,760
calculation of p equals e over t um so

1938
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:24,639
that is a scenario where let's say a

1939
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:25,600
five-year-old

1940
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:28,560
will probably know that math internally

1941
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,120
too

1942
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:31,440
right where the brain and so structural

1943
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,320
realism

1944
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:34,719
for five-year-olds is this did your

1945
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:35,440
brain

1946
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:38,960
learn to do that to to bend your knees

1947
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:43,280
because there is a mathematical equation

1948
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,000
some kind of

1949
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:47,120
symbols that uh the universe follows

1950
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:47,600
right

1951
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:50,960
uh to the t or is it

1952
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:53,440
something that it just kind of

1953
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:54,639
understands

1954
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,840
to mimic and emulate um and and that

1955
01:22:02,310 --> 01:21:59,040
there is no

1956
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:02,320
uh truly uh real pattern there

1957
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,360
we can only sort of closely understand

1958
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,520
it and our brains and bodies are just

1959
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:09,679
doing that just kind of guessing

1960
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:11,199
at it now i wouldn't tell the

1961
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:12,719
five-year-old what i mean by that is a

1962
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,480
mathematical approximation

1963
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:17,280
uh that is not structural realism but

1964
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:17,679
but

1965
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:20,880
structural realism

1966
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:25,280
would say to the five-year-old

1967
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,360
that uh you know a structural realist

1968
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:28,800
will say that

1969
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,000
um the brain um led you

1970
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,080
you to bend your knees because it

1971
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,560
understood and learned the true nature

1972
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,639
of reality it actually understood the

1973
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,840
true structure

1974
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:42,000
of the universe mathematically because

1975
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:43,040
math is

1976
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,120
the true representation of the structure

1977
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:47,040
of the universe

1978
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:50,840
so how would this apply

1979
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,000
uh with the study of et

1980
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:57,440
technology and ufos

1981
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:01,199
so uh this applies uh in the form

1982
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:04,719
that um okay when we're looking

1983
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:07,840
at other uaps

1984
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,400
that let's say are coming from another

1985
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,199
world

1986
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,600
what we are going to be asking is

1987
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:15,600
whether structural realism

1988
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,960
uh is is the right way to go about the

1989
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:20,080
world right

1990
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:23,840
is is the best way to look at the world

1991
01:23:27,750 --> 01:23:26,320
where we kind of just look at the form

1992
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:27,760
and the structure

1993
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,040
right and and we kind of say uh

1994
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,040
we either we take a heart stance we

1995
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,800
decide that we say nothing

1996
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,880
about the underlying nature of the

1997
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:38,719
universe or we say

1998
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,000
that math uh is truly something

1999
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:45,040
um that is uh sort of objective

2000
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,040
the i say this and it matters because

2001
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:52,080
um if we're dealing with objects from

2002
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:55,360
a different part of the universe uh what

2003
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,400
who's to say

2004
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:59,120
that math is not as useful in that part

2005
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,159
of the universe

2006
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:02,880
right it sounds weird but what if it's

2007
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:04,719
less useful of approximation

2008
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:07,120
no it doesn't sound weird to me at all

2009
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,080
got it it does not

2010
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:10,159
no let me tell you why it doesn't sound

2011
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:11,120
weird

2012
01:24:14,830 --> 01:24:12,880
yeah and to anybody out there that wants

2013
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:14,840
to be critical or suggest

2014
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,239
otherwise yeah brian greene

2015
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:21,199
i'm gonna paraphrase here sure but brian

2016
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,040
green said this about e.t

2017
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:25,600
arriving on planet earth he said so they

2018
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,480
get here

2019
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,800
and and we want to show them everything

2020
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,679
that we know

2021
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,600
and we're whipping out our science and

2022
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,280
our physics and our math and our

2023
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:34,800
calculations and

2024
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:37,280
and the nuclear age and what we know and

2025
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:38,639
they're going to look back at us and go

2026
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,920
you know what

2027
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:41,920
uh we did that math thing a long time

2028
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,080
ago it's something that doesn't apply

2029
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,199
to us now and he said it could be

2030
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,760
just that we think that math is

2031
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,120
universal that

2032
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,239
math is is going to be the communi great

2033
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,560
communicator across the universe

2034
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,760
but we don't know that exactly

2035
01:25:04,229 --> 01:25:02,080
i think that's uh that's a fascinating

2036
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:04,239
point that you just made uh brian greene

2037
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,800
virtually said the exact same thing

2038
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,400
we can't jump to those kinds of

2039
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,639
conclusions

2040
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,000
yeah no we can't uh it makes our tasks

2041
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,239
harder as you know people who are let's

2042
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,239
say researching ufos

2043
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:20,639
right like how do you even begin to

2044
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:21,360
understand

2045
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,320
life that may not have been subject to

2046
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:26,239
the same kinds of physics or even the

2047
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,800
same

2048
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,600
relationship with mathematics as we do

2049
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:31,040
right like what does that even mean

2050
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,480
right now from a

2051
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:34,800
psychology perspective what does that

2052
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,600
imply

2053
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,080
uh to the way that something might think

2054
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:40,080
about life and experience life

2055
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,600
uh it just changes so many things now

2056
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:46,960
so to simplify things if

2057
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:50,159
uh it could be

2058
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:54,159
and we need to continue applying the the

2059
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,840
math to this but

2060
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,840
it could be something as simple as i

2061
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,239
mean if we have a craft

2062
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,800
that there may not be any buttons or

2063
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:04,320
switches or screens

2064
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:07,600
or even a visual uh

2065
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,400
tangible propulsion system the same

2066
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:12,639
materials may be used

2067
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:15,440
right the same metals the same physical

2068
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:16,000
things

2069
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:19,440
may be there but their

2070
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,080
understanding of going from point a to

2071
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:23,679
point b

2072
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,400
has been simplified and refined to the

2073
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:27,760
point where

2074
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:30,960
they don't need those uh things on their

2075
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,600
craft

2076
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,760
and that is the great unknown it's much

2077
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,800
more simpler

2078
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,440
for them and we don't understand that

2079
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:38,960
right

2080
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:42,080
exactly that that's a

2081
01:26:48,790 --> 01:26:45,679
very uh real possibility um

2082
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:48,800
there's a world where

2083
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:51,280
you know we might have it's very

2084
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:52,320
interesting like

2085
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,440
we may have uh is it's interesting

2086
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,840
uh for the fact by the way that in part

2087
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:59,920
that bottles are also bought at this

2088
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,639
point

2089
01:27:04,629 --> 01:27:02,880
uh that that you might just have

2090
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,639
different species who have just

2091
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:06,560
different advantages in terms of the

2092
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,280
science

2093
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,840
that they're predisposed to learning so

2094
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,199
let's say that we

2095
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:14,560
truly there does exist you know super

2096
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:16,080
heavy elements that exist

2097
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,760
in abundant resources and sources um in

2098
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,400
abundant amounts sorry um and they do

2099
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:23,679
have some sort of

2100
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,920
you know gravity manipulation type

2101
01:27:28,229 --> 01:27:26,880
capabilities

2102
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,239
and they exist naturally on other

2103
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,239
planets then short those

2104
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,800
uh those beings those intellectual

2105
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,600
beings

2106
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:36,320
will have an intuition for gravity-based

2107
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:37,199
physics

2108
01:27:43,510 --> 01:27:40,719
that is way superior to ours right

2109
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:43,520
but then uh flip side they may not have

2110
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:44,960
the same understanding

2111
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:48,080
of let's say general relativity uh

2112
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:48,480
though

2113
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:52,239
however

2114
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:54,880
at the same time because the second that

2115
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,360
you know

2116
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:57,679
you're dealing with anything that's

2117
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,080
disturbing or manipulating space time

2118
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,400
you would have had to have run into

2119
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,080
relativistic equations

2120
01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:06,880
like like especially if you have these

2121
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,560
magical materials that are generating

2122
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:10,400
gravitational waves and stuff like that

2123
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:12,080
well you would have to yeah you've got

2124
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,760
to evolve as a species

2125
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,520
you know they've got to yeah they have

2126
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:17,040
to have gone through everything that we

2127
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,639
have gone through here

2128
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:21,280
uh almost definitely i tend to believe

2129
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:22,800
that and and that does go back to the

2130
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:23,679
structural

2131
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,400
and and whether the laws of the universe

2132
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:30,960
are the same and all that jazz but yeah

2133
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:31,840
yeah and i

2134
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:34,639
always safely assume a couple of things

2135
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:35,679
one

2136
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:38,639
any intelligent species out there that's

2137
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:39,440
advanced

2138
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:42,960
beyond us did everything above

2139
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:46,080
water in other words

2140
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,360
you can't like europa

2141
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,000
where you would have developed as a

2142
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:54,080
species underwater well you could only

2143
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:54,400
take

2144
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:57,920
technology so far without fire

2145
01:29:01,030 --> 01:29:00,480
or heat so how much are you going to

2146
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,040
evolve

2147
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,040
you may have a brain but you're not

2148
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,960
going to be able to develop a cell phone

2149
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:05,679
in a car

2150
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,679
in a highway system without fire

2151
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:12,719
so you have to assume that any et

2152
01:29:16,709 --> 01:29:13,440
species

2153
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,719
out there did it above ground and i know

2154
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:18,159
it sounds crazy

2155
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:20,080
but that's the way my brain works and it

2156
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:21,360
has to be that way

2157
01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:24,159
i don't think an octopus would have

2158
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:24,880
developed

2159
01:29:32,070 --> 01:29:28,080
beyond where it is now even though it's

2160
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:35,270
i don't disagree with that at all uh

2161
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,800
at least for now right um and so i

2162
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:40,960
i think that yeah underwater is very

2163
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,159
hard to do like

2164
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,639
very good physics um there are

2165
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:45,840
precedents right

2166
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:48,880
like uh um isn't there

2167
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:52,080
i actually um there is a specific kind

2168
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,600
of shrimp i don't want to butcher the

2169
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,280
name so i'm not even trying to guess

2170
01:29:59,830 --> 01:29:57,440
right uh there's like like times like a

2171
01:30:01,750 --> 01:29:59,840
kind of trip that can like snap his tail

2172
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,760
uh if i recall correctly right and it

2173
01:30:06,310 --> 01:30:03,840
like it's at the speed of sound

2174
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,320
uh which is really fascinating um

2175
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:08,239
there's also the mantis shrimp

2176
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:11,199
which is super cool the mantis shrimp uh

2177
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,600
is

2178
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,080
able to see much farther outside the

2179
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,000
visible spectrum that we can

2180
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:19,679
it can see uh like um it can see

2181
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,040
infrared uh it has it's super cool

2182
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,199
especially for the fact that it has

2183
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:26,880
distributed computing

2184
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:30,320
right so basically um our brains in the

2185
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:31,040
way that we

2186
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,520
see things we process it in a

2187
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:35,199
centralized compute manner

2188
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,600
where our brain is doing up much of the

2189
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:39,840
processing right much of the visual

2190
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:42,800
image recognition and whatnot whereas a

2191
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:44,400
lot of the image recognition

2192
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:47,600
computations will happen at the actual

2193
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:50,400
eyes and cellular level of the mantis

2194
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,040
shrimp

2195
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,199
as opposed to having a centralized brain

2196
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:54,960
for the visual processing

2197
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:57,679
it's like decentralized across its eyes

2198
01:31:02,149 --> 01:30:58,719
super cool stuff

2199
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:02,159
yeah that's fascinating and the the the

2200
01:31:06,629 --> 01:31:03,440
house fly

2201
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:06,639
the fly right trip on this

2202
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,760
the fly the reason why you cannot swat a

2203
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:11,040
fly

2204
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:14,320
is because they run in a world that is

2205
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:15,520
600 times

2206
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:20,639
slower than ours we are in slow motion

2207
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:24,320
they see the swat coming

2208
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:28,080
which for them it's like an hour right

2209
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,280
and they just they just mosey on off

2210
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:33,840
they are running in a different time

2211
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,800
than we are

2212
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:36,400
that's a trippy thing to think about

2213
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:38,239
let's take a break right here our guest

2214
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:39,120
tonight

2215
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:42,000
is deep prasad we're gonna continue this

2216
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,600
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2217
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,520
about how to apply modern science and

2218
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:47,440
physics to the known and unknown data

2219
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:50,000
when it comes to ufo research

2220
01:31:58,110 --> 01:31:51,679
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2221
01:32:10,950 --> 01:31:58,120
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2222
01:32:17,189 --> 01:32:14,149
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2223
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:17,199
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2270
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2271
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:24,320
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2272
01:34:28,790 --> 01:34:27,440
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2273
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[Music]

2276
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,719
all right welcome back fade to black

2277
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:18,800
gavin just posted a picture in twitter

2278
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:21,119
of a fly swatter saying explain this

2279
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:22,320
then jimmy

2280
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:26,159
that works about 10 of the time

2281
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:27,520
how many times you have to swing that

2282
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:31,119
thing you're not a hundred percent

2283
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:35,040
oh no all right deeper side is our guess

2284
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:37,760
and we're discussing how to apply modern

2285
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,760
science and physics uh to the known and

2286
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:41,280
unknown data about uh

2287
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,560
uaps ufos e.t

2288
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:47,199
and that's actually a direct question

2289
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,800
and where we need to go to next deep

2290
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:49,920
which is

2291
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:53,119
how explain the process how do you apply

2292
01:36:01,030 --> 01:35:56,880
the data known and unknown

2293
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:01,040
uh from e.t ufo siding whatever that

2294
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:02,000
data may be

2295
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:05,119
how do you apply that into

2296
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:08,840
research and move forward how is that

2297
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:10,239
done

2298
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:13,119
so i it's a great question jimmy um

2299
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,000
there's

2300
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:16,560
i think two things that need to be done

2301
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:17,040
um

2302
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:20,719
one is of course the actual

2303
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:24,159
mass gathering and congregation of data

2304
01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:27,440
and applying understood and well-known

2305
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:29,679
uh machine learning and statistical

2306
01:36:33,830 --> 01:36:30,800
analysis

2307
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:33,840
methods such as neural networks and even

2308
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:34,159
like

2309
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,199
logistic regression regression and

2310
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:39,199
natural language processing and apply

2311
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:41,360
the known techniques that we have

2312
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,719
uh to um the the literature

2313
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:47,520
like to all the historical texts to

2314
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:48,800
anything that we think

2315
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:51,760
is related to the phenomenon and see

2316
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:52,080
what

2317
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,880
patterns can they come up with that's

2318
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,960
one thing that needs to be done

2319
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,560
right and then there's the other thing

2320
01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:00,480
which is a fundamental

2321
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:03,600
uh uh change and

2322
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,119
and sort of advancement in our ability

2323
01:37:12,229 --> 01:37:09,360
to do artificial intelligence

2324
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:12,239
so right now our artificial intelligence

2325
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,320
is really good at mostly

2326
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,199
narrow intelligence tasks so what i mean

2327
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,280
by narrow intelligence is that

2328
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:21,920
it's a task that doesn't require a lot

2329
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:22,880
of outside

2330
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:25,840
knowledge and and on-the-fly sort of

2331
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:26,400
thinking

2332
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:29,440
to accomplish so parking a car right

2333
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:31,440
requires narrow intelligence

2334
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:34,639
uh um talking about the philosophy

2335
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:37,920
of life and metaphysics is not narrow

2336
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:39,119
intelligence

2337
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,719
so um uh we are still at the narrow

2338
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:43,920
intelligence phase

2339
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:47,920
and so when we want to apply ai methods

2340
01:37:51,830 --> 01:37:48,560
to

2341
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:51,840
uh let's say um parsing

2342
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,480
the data all the ufo data that we have

2343
01:37:59,189 --> 01:37:56,880
out there right the experiencer data

2344
01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:59,199
um and trying to find better patterns in

2345
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,639
there and seeing

2346
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:03,040
are there sort of these sort of

2347
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:03,920
reasoning these

2348
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,440
abstract logical patterns to be found

2349
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,520
we may be able to find them through the

2350
01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,360
abstract abilities and learning

2351
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,920
capabilities of today's infrastructure

2352
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:15,840
which is something that people we barely

2353
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:17,600
scratch the surface of right like using

2354
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,719
machine learning

2355
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:21,040
to to look through ufo data like some

2356
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:22,000
people are

2357
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,960
have started doing it um but very few

2358
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:26,400
tangible results out there

2359
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:30,080
so far um but yeah so so you have that

2360
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:31,920
and then you yeah you really just need

2361
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:35,360
this uh advanced imagine if you had

2362
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:38,400
a sort of quantum enhanced reasoning

2363
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:42,400
engine instead that was able to

2364
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:46,080
um understand and find more abstract

2365
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,199
patterns

2366
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:49,840
uh semantically speaking and culturally

2367
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:50,639
speaking and

2368
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:53,360
intellectually speaking than the average

2369
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,880
sort of machine learning analysis

2370
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,639
approach that we use today

2371
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:59,520
there should be such approaches um we

2372
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:00,719
just need to find them

2373
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:05,360
well okay then there is the

2374
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,719
the practical stuff is there is there an

2375
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:10,560
application today

2376
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,000
where i and i'm speaking actually in a

2377
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,239
literal sense too as well

2378
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:18,639
is there an application today where you

2379
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:19,600
could take

2380
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:22,639
a the color of uh

2381
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:25,280
of a known that was seen certainly that

2382
01:39:30,390 --> 01:39:27,040
signature would say something

2383
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:30,400
you would have a position right you

2384
01:39:32,629 --> 01:39:31,520
would have that you would have a

2385
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:32,639
location

2386
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:36,080
you would have maybe an a and b

2387
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,280
location where it was seen at two points

2388
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:41,119
in the sky traveling

2389
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:43,679
um you have the disappearance or the

2390
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:44,560
appearance

2391
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,760
that's another variable uh you have a

2392
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:48,719
height

2393
01:39:54,629 --> 01:39:51,760
right you have all

2394
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:54,639
so you could develop certain things from

2395
01:40:02,550 --> 01:39:55,119
that

2396
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:02,560
to start understanding the physics yes

2397
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,760
absolutely yeah absolutely it can uh so

2398
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,360
what you just described

2399
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:10,000
is basically the basis of the training

2400
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,400
set

2401
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:13,440
right now we don't know for for

2402
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:16,960
for what we would want uh to use that as

2403
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:17,679
a training

2404
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,719
set of um um you would think

2405
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,119
but actually like it's uh it's not the

2406
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,960
case anymore like let's say

2407
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,360
uh 50 years ago somebody might have said

2408
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,119
i don't know what to do with this data

2409
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:31,040
right even 20 years ago somebody could

2410
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:32,400
have said that but

2411
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:35,280
now we know that with the advent and

2412
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,480
access to

2413
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,719
high performance compute power right

2414
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,320
having gpus

2415
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,199
having access to very powerful machines

2416
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,880
to train our neural networks

2417
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,280
what you could start doing is at least

2418
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:48,960
making predictions

2419
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:52,000
on uh what positions what

2420
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,800
where uh the next signings will be who

2421
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,719
the next experiencer

2422
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:59,040
might be right that is something that i

2423
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,920
think we

2424
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,840
it might sound crazy but it is something

2425
01:41:06,149 --> 01:41:03,600
we might just be able to do

2426
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:06,159
uh today i wouldn't doubt it if given

2427
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:06,639
the right

2428
01:41:13,350 --> 01:41:10,000
data um we may be actually able to

2429
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:13,360
you know not only just figure out uh

2430
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,639
let's say common times to expect uh to

2431
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,480
see the phenomena or how to

2432
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,960
how it may express itself but we may

2433
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:22,639
actually be able to

2434
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:26,239
reverse engineer uh the human

2435
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:29,360
selection process that's being uh

2436
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:32,480
sort of undergone right now or or

2437
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:35,280
or undergoing at the moment so yeah and

2438
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:35,920
underway

2439
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:39,280
does that make sense well it does

2440
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:42,480
and it seems to me that

2441
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:44,800
there should be and i hope this is

2442
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,880
exactly what you're working on

2443
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,880
where you would be able to open up a

2444
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,320
program and

2445
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:52,800
you have a sighting right with friends

2446
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:53,679
whatever

2447
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,040
and you are able to plug in everything

2448
01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:58,080
that you know

2449
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,600
sighting and

2450
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,800
and get that in and maybe uh video

2451
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,560
and upload that too as well but then

2452
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,080
have that

2453
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:10,960
data spit out some answers and be able

2454
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:11,920
to analyze

2455
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,719
things really really quickly and give a

2456
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:15,760
scientific

2457
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:19,280
response to it because if you have those

2458
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:22,159
basic things in physics right you need

2459
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:25,199
you need an object you need a mass

2460
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,440
you need a location

2461
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:31,600
those basic things that can go into

2462
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,600
start the process

2463
01:42:37,990 --> 01:42:35,840
and that's what we need today we need

2464
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,000
that kind of application

2465
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:40,960
out there for for anybody to uh be able

2466
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:41,840
to not

2467
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:44,800
it's one thing to report a sighting but

2468
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,800
nothing is done with that data

2469
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,880
take it scientifically to the next step

2470
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:50,960
deep

2471
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:53,040
jimmy you can count on it that's all

2472
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:54,639
i'll say

2473
01:43:01,350 --> 01:42:57,679
well exactly i mean i think we're we

2474
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,360
we are right there there are so many

2475
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:04,719
uh uh statements that are made by

2476
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,080
physicists today which i find very very

2477
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:10,480
interesting if we can

2478
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:13,760
if we can scientifically analyze

2479
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:17,520
the atmosphere of a planet

2480
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,480
uh you know a thousand light years away

2481
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:22,080
a million light years away and

2482
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,280
scientifically go

2483
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:25,119
okay this is the composition of that

2484
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:26,960
atmosphere and we can't even see that

2485
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:27,840
planet

2486
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,199
but we are able to identify

2487
01:43:34,709 --> 01:43:33,360
uh get those key identifiers to its

2488
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:34,719
atmosphere

2489
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:38,960
then why can't we apply that same logic

2490
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,000
to sightings that we can't identify here

2491
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:43,760
on our home planet i would

2492
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,070
absolutely they they certainly

2493
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:56,000
do um for example spectroscopy right so

2494
01:44:02,310 --> 01:43:59,360
we we we use a different spectroscopy

2495
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:02,320
uh to determine uh whether there was

2496
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:03,360
phosphine or not

2497
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,000
in the atmosphere of venus compared to

2498
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,080
the spectroscopy that we would use

2499
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,400
uh for example inductively coupled

2500
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:11,679
plasma

2501
01:44:15,189 --> 01:44:14,480
spectroscopy that we would use uh to

2502
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:15,199
determine

2503
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,719
if a debris of uap is actually

2504
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,560
extraterrestrial or not

2505
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:23,840
but in both cases you know we are

2506
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,600
trying to understand sort of the

2507
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,280
chemical composition

2508
01:44:32,390 --> 01:44:30,159
or reverse engineer the composition of

2509
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,400
whatever it is that we're looking at

2510
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:35,040
and uh that is something that is right

2511
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:35,440
you know

2512
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:38,880
upper alley um uh at reactive q

2513
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,520
for example um you know one of our one

2514
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:43,920
of my personal hopes uh for this company

2515
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:44,560
is that

2516
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:47,360
we'll provide the technology that will

2517
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,639
feed into these ai

2518
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:50,800
engines that can help us sort of

2519
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:51,760
understand

2520
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:54,320
uh the physics and the materials that

2521
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,440
are being used

2522
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,920
by uaps and you know what you're what

2523
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,520
you're observing we want to be able to

2524
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:01,199
shed some more light on to it

2525
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:03,840
there are i'm not going to name names

2526
01:45:10,070 --> 01:45:06,239
but there are a few physicists out there

2527
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:10,080
right now that say that they understand

2528
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:13,679
the the physics behind the tic tac

2529
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,199
just from the descriptions

2530
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:20,400
from the pilots right and and

2531
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:23,920
and and the uh very simple radar data

2532
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,000
there isn't complicated radar data

2533
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,280
there's only very simple

2534
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,119
there isn't any radar data that shows

2535
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,600
this the this thing traveling

2536
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:34,400
60 000 feet in a second that that data

2537
01:45:36,790 --> 01:45:36,000
isn't there they have the data at the

2538
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:36,800
top

2539
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:38,400
data at the bottom and then they're

2540
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:40,000
filling in the blanks but that being

2541
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:40,880
said

2542
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:43,520
can have you looked at some of this

2543
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:44,239
research

2544
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,320
done my very best uh to uh

2545
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,159
actually work through the math right not

2546
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,239
just like like just like give everybody

2547
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:04,080
whoever there aren't that many of them

2548
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,600
out there right in the community

2549
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,280
with their own theories and i've given

2550
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:09,440
all of them you know their own shot

2551
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:12,400
and uh i think for what it's worth um

2552
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:12,800
you know

2553
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:15,920
nobody is even close uh

2554
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:19,440
not even remotely close um and and i

2555
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:20,560
know that that's gonna

2556
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:23,119
you know hurt a lot of egos but the

2557
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:23,760
simple

2558
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:26,560
truth uh is obvious the proof is in the

2559
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:27,440
pudding

2560
01:46:32,950 --> 01:46:30,880
uh if people had cracked you know the

2561
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:32,960
physics of the tic tac

2562
01:46:36,109 --> 01:46:35,520
we would have even be been able to tell

2563
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,119
you know

2564
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:38,880
experimentally um and if we could not

2565
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,080
tell experimentally

2566
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:42,239
at least the physics should have been

2567
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:43,920
consistent and the math should have been

2568
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:44,560
legit

2569
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:47,760
logically consistent and complete and

2570
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:50,560
uh and that just has not been the case

2571
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:50,960
right

2572
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:53,840
like nobody has proved because like they

2573
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:54,480
would win

2574
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:57,520
uh they would be in the contender

2575
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,760
contending at least for winning a nobel

2576
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:02,000
prize if somebody for example could find

2577
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:03,920
a more accurate theory

2578
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:07,040
um of of physics just a better more

2579
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:08,800
accurate model physics

2580
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:11,760
um that can describe the tic tac uh that

2581
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,560
naturally

2582
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:14,400
you know does it or if anybody could

2583
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:16,320
figure out how to use today's physics to

2584
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:17,360
do it

2585
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:20,400
um uh there's yeah the point though is

2586
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:22,159
that nobody has cracked it it

2587
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:24,560
and and the physicist who is right for

2588
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:25,840
what it's worth

2589
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:29,199
will eventually be known you know

2590
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,000
uh for being right like i know it sounds

2591
01:47:36,470 --> 01:47:34,239
really stupid and obvious to say

2592
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:36,480
right um but like like the entire

2593
01:47:40,229 --> 01:47:37,679
community didn't keep

2594
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:40,239
calling einstein crackpot forever right

2595
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,360
he was called you

2596
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,760
they realized he was on to something

2597
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,280
pretty damn quickly

2598
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:47,840
uh it took a while like for the big

2599
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:48,719
older

2600
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:51,360
guys to kind of like accept his stuff

2601
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:52,719
right because that's because they're

2602
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,639
you know positions were threatened but

2603
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:56,400
the rest of the world the the other

2604
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:57,119
physicists

2605
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:59,040
engineers and stuff they're like oh crap

2606
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:00,480
this map is just better

2607
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:03,199
it's more accurate and and these uh

2608
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:04,000
physicists who

2609
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:06,000
have claimed to have cracked the tic tac

2610
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:07,760
have produced no such thing

2611
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:10,239
and not come close that's my yeah that's

2612
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:11,040
my read on it

2613
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:15,119
well and the uh could you

2614
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,719
and have you looked at the observational

2615
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,080
data

2616
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,480
and what little measurements we do have

2617
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,679
by the way

2618
01:48:29,510 --> 01:48:26,880
of of the tic tac and try

2619
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:29,520
to make the math work have you done the

2620
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:32,080
same thing

2621
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:34,880
i have jimmy and and i tried to do it in

2622
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:35,679
a way that

2623
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:38,400
wasn't sort of sneaky and speculative

2624
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,119
for example

2625
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:41,760
i didn't try to say let's assume we can

2626
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:43,040
build a warp drive

2627
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:45,840
right i assumed let's assume that we

2628
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:47,440
only have access to the kinds of

2629
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,920
combustion engines and the technologies

2630
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:52,320
that we more or less have today and

2631
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,119
maybe advanced

2632
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,360
a little bit right 50 years whatever but

2633
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:57,360
fundamental physics perspective let's

2634
01:49:00,229 --> 01:48:58,159
assume

2635
01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:00,239
we there is no better physics that we

2636
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:01,440
ourselves can deal with

2637
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,880
right um and and and

2638
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:07,520
my my most conservative calculation that

2639
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:08,239
i found

2640
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,159
was that in order to achieve the same

2641
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:15,440
uh um at velocity as

2642
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:18,560
the tic tac we would need

2643
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,040
at least 6 000 spacex falcon 9 rockets

2644
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:26,000
um you know combined into one uh so and

2645
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:27,599
that's just never going to happen

2646
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:30,719
um and so so i realized pretty quickly

2647
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,119
that

2648
01:49:35,189 --> 01:49:33,840
using our physics our quantum mechanics

2649
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,199
and general relativity

2650
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,920
and what we know um and what what is

2651
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,920
possible based on that physics

2652
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,000
and technologies it just i couldn't make

2653
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:44,480
it work i could not and that's just why

2654
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:47,840
you know that that's why i i believe

2655
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:50,159
uh the lockheed martins of the world and

2656
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,960
all these

2657
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:53,520
billion dollar uh tech and aerospace

2658
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,040
companies are still

2659
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:57,520
you know moving around in gas-powered

2660
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,159
rockets

2661
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,639
and and planes and vehicles it's because

2662
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:03,119
humans just have yet to dominate

2663
01:50:08,950 --> 01:50:06,800
uh uap science okay so what does that

2664
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:08,960
suggest to you does that suggest

2665
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:12,400
that uh we kind of got two ways to go

2666
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:15,840
then one uh this was e.t

2667
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,000
visiting planet earth with technology

2668
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,000
that we purely don't understand

2669
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,360
or b it was

2670
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:26,480
not what they think they

2671
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,960
saw and their eyewitness accounts

2672
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:33,360
are not accurate i'm not suggesting that

2673
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:34,639
they're lying what i'm saying is what

2674
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:36,800
they have described

2675
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,080
is not what was reality like the

2676
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,760
trickster phenomenon right is that what

2677
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:43,360
you're saying well it could be that

2678
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,639
too as well i mean look you have 10

2679
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:48,719
witnesses to a car accident you got 10

2680
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,400
different versions of what actually

2681
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,760
happened

2682
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:53,920
well well we're seeing that for what

2683
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,599
it's worth right going back to the

2684
01:50:59,109 --> 01:50:57,119
connection between quantum physics and

2685
01:51:02,550 --> 01:50:59,119
uaps here's another one that's

2686
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:02,560
abstract um um there's uh the wigner's

2687
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,480
friend paradox experiment

2688
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:06,639
um it's a it's a quantum physics

2689
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:07,520
experiment

2690
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:10,800
that basically looks at uh

2691
01:51:17,189 --> 01:51:14,080
whether or not um you know it

2692
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:17,199
basically it it's exploiting a paradox

2693
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,800
that wigner came up with

2694
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:20,960
based on the wave function he basically

2695
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:22,880
pointed out that

2696
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,280
each observer has their each independent

2697
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:27,440
observer has their own wave function

2698
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:30,800
therefore there should be a point at

2699
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,599
time where

2700
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:34,080
the observers will have conflicting

2701
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:34,719
facts

2702
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,239
experiment

2703
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:40,639
because their wave function dictates the

2704
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,320
things that they'll measure right at x

2705
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:44,719
probability for for each measurement

2706
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:47,440
so um he said that if you set up an

2707
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,239
experiment

2708
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,159
uh you will actually observe this

2709
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:52,480
paradox if you set it up the right way

2710
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:55,599
and and man lo and behold you know

2711
01:52:02,229 --> 01:51:58,639
a year ago the paper was published where

2712
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,239
indeed that is the case we do see

2713
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,800
that there is you can have quantum

2714
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:06,719
physics experiments set up

2715
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:09,280
where you can have independent observers

2716
01:52:11,669 --> 01:52:09,840
and they

2717
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:11,679
all do the same exact objective

2718
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:13,520
experiment they participate in the exact

2719
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,639
same thing

2720
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:16,719
and they all come out with objectively

2721
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,080
different answers

2722
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:20,400
that conflict right they have little

2723
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,199
conflicting

2724
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,760
facts that should never happen like the

2725
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,199
scientific method

2726
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:27,520
uh hinges on the fact that that doesn't

2727
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,320
happen

2728
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:30,880
so yeah so so it's really cool uaps are

2729
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:31,840
like the

2730
01:52:39,189 --> 01:52:36,080
version of that phenomenon in some sense

2731
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,199
so as you have looked at the data

2732
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,679
uh what conclusion i'm not talking about

2733
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:44,320
the videos i'm just talking about

2734
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,159
because the videos don't represent what

2735
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,000
was actually seen

2736
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:50,960
but yeah but when you listen to the

2737
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:52,400
testimony

2738
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,520
um and the eyewitness accounts what

2739
01:52:58,910 --> 01:52:57,199
conclusions have you come to do you

2740
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,920
think that the tic tac was

2741
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,639
extraterrestrial or do you think it's

2742
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:02,800
something else

2743
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:06,000
yeah um it's a great question i i've

2744
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,040
concluded that

2745
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,840
i think we live in a very diverse fauna

2746
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:10,480
of life

2747
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:13,520
uh i i don't think

2748
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:16,239
i i think for what it's worth it does

2749
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:16,639
not

2750
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:18,639
matter whether there's one intelligence

2751
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,840
or multiple

2752
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,760
because we ourselves don't have the

2753
01:53:26,310 --> 01:53:23,360
science to discern

2754
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:26,320
one way or another we have to assume uh

2755
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:28,239
we have to take it by case-by-case basis

2756
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,679
that's my own personal

2757
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:32,080
opinion on it um knowing though full

2758
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,840
well why eyes wide open that could be

2759
01:53:37,109 --> 01:53:35,280
one intelligence

2760
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:37,119
um that being said when you look at all

2761
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:39,599
the witness reports and the testimonies

2762
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:40,880
and whatnot

2763
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:44,000
um you realize that there's sort of a

2764
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:44,719
level of

2765
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,480
abstraction uh that that is happening

2766
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:50,320
like a level of

2767
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:54,000
um you know how like you know how have

2768
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:55,440
you ever had such an abstract

2769
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:57,520
thought that you couldn't you wish you

2770
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,280
could just like convey to somebody else

2771
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,800
but you know you never will

2772
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:03,360
i i do i did it today at subway when i

2773
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:05,040
ordered sandwiches

2774
01:54:12,550 --> 01:54:09,040
that's awesome there you go yeah

2775
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:12,560
so so imagine those thoughts uh

2776
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:15,679
now imagine um uh species

2777
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,760
who are capable of comprehending those

2778
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:19,440
thoughts and reading it

2779
01:54:22,629 --> 01:54:21,440
completely fine right it's like a

2780
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,639
language to them

2781
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:25,199
the art of the unknown the the all these

2782
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:27,119
things that are just out of reach

2783
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:29,840
and abstract and immaterial to us it

2784
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:30,480
feels like

2785
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:32,960
we're dealing with intelligences that

2786
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:33,840
easily

2787
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:37,119
have software or math or science or the

2788
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:38,239
intelligence

2789
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:40,639
to easily manage that kind of abstract

2790
01:54:43,990 --> 01:54:41,840
information

2791
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:44,000
uh and then therefore uh express

2792
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:45,599
themselves accordingly

2793
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:47,760
like in our culture or or to us

2794
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:48,800
individually

2795
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:51,599
based on that so um i think when it

2796
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:53,199
comes to the tic tac though

2797
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,880
uh however there is a class of

2798
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:59,360
physical seemingly uaps that are

2799
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,000
reported

2800
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:02,719
over and over again that make me believe

2801
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,119
that

2802
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,440
they could very well just be what they

2803
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:07,360
are right a spade a spade called spade a

2804
01:55:10,950 --> 01:55:09,040
spade that kind of deal

2805
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,960
um but i think though that the ones

2806
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:12,400
where there are very

2807
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:14,239
you know some of these interactions

2808
01:55:19,189 --> 01:55:16,400
where there's humans reporting

2809
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:19,199
a being involved in stuff i really

2810
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:20,159
wonder

2811
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:23,119
uh about that i don't know if that's

2812
01:55:27,430 --> 01:55:24,080
alien

2813
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:27,440
um and i don't even know if we have any

2814
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:28,239
word that's

2815
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:29,840
accurate enough to describe it i don't

2816
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:32,320
think interdimensional for example is

2817
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:32,639
the

2818
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:35,920
it's a good enough word uh it's um

2819
01:55:39,750 --> 01:55:37,040
we just need to come up with new

2820
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vocabulary is a problem man i i think

2821
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that we're dealing with

2822
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things that are just not easily

2823
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clear-cut black and white alien not

2824
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alien ultra-traditional

2825
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non-ultra-terrestrial

2826
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but what do you think

2827
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i understand the clarification

2828
01:56:00,550 --> 01:56:00,000
but what do you think you're so funny

2829
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jimmy

2830
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okay don't be a politician i'm asking

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you a direct question

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e.t not of this earth or

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terrestrial no gray area i think it's

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obviously uh extraterrestrial

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or at least at the very least not of

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human origin not of trash

2837
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see that wasn't that wasn't so hard deep

2838
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it was so funny that wasn't so hard

2839
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i i i i i don't know

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you know i i don't know i

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i i have seen too many things that i

2842
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can't explain

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i'm not an eyewitness to this i can only

2844
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listen to everybody else

2845
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um i just don't know what i find in

2846
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the the the one thing when we look at

2847
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variables

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right we're trying to measure one of the

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things we can

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measure with this is that both

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of these cases involve the us navy

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battle groups on each coast

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now that is something when we plug in

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the data

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we have to seriously consider why

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why because the tic tac wasn't seen over

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los

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angeles for the general public right it

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wasn't

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seen over san francisco seattle kansas

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city chicago

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we're talking about two carrier battle

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groups uh one on the east coast one on

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the west coast

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that that that is a variable that we

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have to seriously consider

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and ask why now is et just messing with

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our

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that's that's another definition of

2870
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irony isn't it

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right so that you have that

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fightership bias right right yes total

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bias

2874
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with that or

2875
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is it beyond coincidence and we have to

2876
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just maybe deduce

2877
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to something much more simple and that

2878
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maybe it is terrestrial

2879
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maybe it is the soviet union or the

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chinese

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or india messing with our navy and

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testing

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systems or it's our air force and its

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lockheed testing systems

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uh is is that more

2886
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simple i don't know i don't know and

2887
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only time's gonna

2888
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only time will tell only time will tell

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i i

2890
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fully agree with that um it's we're very

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much

2892
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in the twilight zone when it comes to

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the confirmation of et life

2894
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everything is in the in the gray zone

2895
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right of plausible deniability

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uh like we're one we're literally like

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one alien body you know

2898
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away from um you know cracking this case

2899
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wide open

2900
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that's right but i i've also realized

2901
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you know i think we all have

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that it's not gonna be that easy like

2903
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like disclosure is not gonna be

2904
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you know clean cut like that should it

2905
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happen like as a process

2906
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uh there's yeah this is clearly weirder

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than all of that yeah it is it is let's

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take a break right here we need to get

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i want to talk about some fundamental

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things and that is

3055
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the first thing is this is it

3056
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easy to find other

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physicists and quantum physicists out

3058
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there uh

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that are on this side of the ufo

3060
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question that we are being visited

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instead of applying the laws of physics

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saying ah

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they are just too far away it's

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impossible is it easier today to get

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those conversations started

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um with other physicists so

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like it it depends on

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uh whether you count as you starting the

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con

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i mean

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uh i've had uh um i had

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one i i won't name him uh but uh

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just yet um you know but he's a really

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great guy

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uh very famous physics influencer he's a

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person you know one of the youngest

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uh reached out to me and and you know

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we've been friends

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since and we've been talking about uaps

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and stuff like that who's that brian cox

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is it brian cox

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no i'll tell you privately okay all

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right all right

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02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:24,400
yeah cool so um but so uh yeah

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so so i've had those super interesting

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scenarios

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02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:30,880
but more often than not it's

3090
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only been when i've brought it up has uh

3091
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the conversation led to you know the

3092
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possibility

3093
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of uh uaps representing et's like that

3094
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:42,840
kind of like

3095
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:46,000
conversation does happen more often than

3096
02:06:49,830 --> 02:06:46,480
you may

3097
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,840
think um in these like let's say circles

3098
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:51,280
like when i when i

3099
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,320
um bring it up with a i am

3100
02:06:58,229 --> 02:06:56,800
always surprised when i bring it up with

3101
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:58,239
any random person

3102
02:07:01,830 --> 02:06:59,920
you know in the quantum physics or

3103
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:01,840
quantum computing community

3104
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:04,239
uh that let's say collaborate with or

3105
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:05,199
that i just

3106
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:07,599
uh talk to or work with like i just

3107
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,320
don't get

3108
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:11,520
you know uh judgment um or

3109
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:15,119
or or or fear and and many times when

3110
02:07:20,310 --> 02:07:18,320
people actually learn about the data and

3111
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,320
what the tic tac assuming that it's you

3112
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,639
know not a big hoax or something right

3113
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:25,679
when when a lot of physicists they hear

3114
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:29,040
about it being real they're like holy

3115
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:31,280
[\h__\h] that sounds like aliens

3116
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:34,239
and so so what if you know you get a

3117
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:36,239
physicist to the point where they can at

3118
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:36,960
least

3119
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:40,480
uh admit

3120
02:07:44,870 --> 02:07:43,520
that the that these uaps can even exist

3121
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:44,880
in the first place

3122
02:07:50,069 --> 02:07:48,239
um at that point nobody very few people

3123
02:07:52,470 --> 02:07:50,079
i've seen in my experience very few

3124
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:52,480
physicists have tried to claim that oh

3125
02:07:58,870 --> 02:07:54,880
that's government technology

3126
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:58,880
or that's xyz um explanations like if

3127
02:08:02,229 --> 02:07:59,920
they think

3128
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:02,239
that if they believe and trust the

3129
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:03,040
military

3130
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:06,400
uh and whatnot they will often conclude

3131
02:08:10,149 --> 02:08:09,360
that crap that's just not human science

3132
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:10,159
like that's

3133
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:11,679
that just sounds like aliens and that

3134
02:08:16,310 --> 02:08:13,840
just needs to be investigated further

3135
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:16,320
uh that that kind of thing well most

3136
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:17,679
physicists

3137
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:21,040
and when i say most 100 percent

3138
02:08:28,390 --> 02:08:24,320
right they

3139
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,400
stay within their

3140
02:08:31,990 --> 02:08:30,719
they stay within the lines and one of

3141
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:32,000
those lines

3142
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,880
that nobody is willing to cross is the

3143
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:36,639
speed of light

3144
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:40,560
all right that's it that right there

3145
02:08:47,669 --> 02:08:43,840
that if we are talking about

3146
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:47,679
faster than light travel physically

3147
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:51,520
the answer is no it's an impossibility

3148
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,639
that that part of it is the line that

3149
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:56,960
nobody is willing to cross

3150
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,159
yet but well

3151
02:09:04,149 --> 02:09:02,079
when when i say that i think you're in

3152
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,159
agreement right i

3153
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:06,960
i am in complete agreement with you so

3154
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:07,599
that's why i

3155
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:11,360
bring up the data

3156
02:09:16,709 --> 02:09:14,159
about uaps will physicists start

3157
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:16,719
thinking about uaps potentially being

3158
02:09:21,510 --> 02:09:19,599
alien if you just ask yo like you know

3159
02:09:23,910 --> 02:09:21,520
it's business yo do you think

3160
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:23,920
ufos are aliens without telling them you

3161
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:25,520
know giving them any data

3162
02:09:28,629 --> 02:09:27,360
and they're just relying on prior

3163
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:28,639
knowledge right they're gonna give you

3164
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:29,760
the generic answer

3165
02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,480
absolutely not right the speed of light

3166
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:34,079
is the way that it is and it is

3167
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:37,599
way too slow uh to to allow

3168
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:39,360
even if you're traveling at close enough

3169
02:09:43,350 --> 02:09:40,880
to speed of light right

3170
02:09:44,069 --> 02:09:43,360
most you know space is just way too

3171
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:44,079
large

3172
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:45,599
frankly that you would just have to be

3173
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:47,280
going faster than light

3174
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:50,079
uh to actually yeah be a viable species

3175
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,800
and then they'll

3176
02:09:54,310 --> 02:09:52,800
tell you yeah that's just not happening

3177
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:54,320
it's not happening because

3178
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:57,119
andromeda everybody needs to understand

3179
02:10:01,910 --> 02:09:58,960
andromeda our closest

3180
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:01,920
galaxy our closest neighbor is two

3181
02:10:07,270 --> 02:10:04,400
million light years away

3182
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:07,280
yeah you need to stop and just you know

3183
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,960
wrap your head around that for a second

3184
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:10,639
that's what i'm saying exactly even at

3185
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:12,400
the speed of light it's just not fast

3186
02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:12,800
enough

3187
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,079
no two million light years

3188
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,480
so we're looking at andromeda in our

3189
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:20,639
backyard with our telescopes and a

3190
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:21,840
clear night you can see it with the

3191
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:23,760
naked eye right sitting right up there

3192
02:10:29,510 --> 02:10:26,960
beautiful right gorgeous there it is

3193
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,520
you're looking at andromeda two million

3194
02:10:33,830 --> 02:10:31,679
years ago

3195
02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:33,840
you're not looking at andromeda right

3196
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,159
now in real time

3197
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:38,880
you're looking at the old version of

3198
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:40,400
andromeda

3199
02:10:46,870 --> 02:10:43,760
so let's back this up for a second

3200
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:46,880
faster than light travel is one thing

3201
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:51,199
but is folding space

3202
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:54,000
right or the true definition of a warp

3203
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:55,840
drive you know folding space in front of

3204
02:11:00,870 --> 02:10:58,639
you and putting space in back of you

3205
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:00,880
you're not actually moving right

3206
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:01,920
physically you're not

3207
02:11:06,390 --> 02:11:04,159
moving if you're folding space and

3208
02:11:08,790 --> 02:11:06,400
removing space that is in front of you

3209
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,800
you know like the movie dune right yeah

3210
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:10,400
and and you're folding space

3211
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,440
you're only crossing the line so

3212
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,840
is that's not traveling faster than the

3213
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:17,360
speed of light

3214
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:20,800
right if you in a linear sense and

3215
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:22,880
you're calculating the distances that

3216
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:25,040
would be there

3217
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:28,320
basically like i see i i i see your

3218
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:28,960
point like

3219
02:11:32,629 --> 02:11:30,960
um you're saying does that that

3220
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,639
technically doesn't

3221
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:34,400
violate the speed of light that's right

3222
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:36,079
it doesn't

3223
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:39,520
right am i being a doofus here or

3224
02:11:44,629 --> 02:11:42,239
is that the way it is that that is

3225
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:44,639
that's the basis for why people suggest

3226
02:11:50,069 --> 02:11:47,440
warp drive is possible is because

3227
02:11:52,790 --> 02:11:50,079
technically in theoretically if you can

3228
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:52,800
you know attain the negative energy

3229
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:53,599
density

3230
02:11:59,270 --> 02:11:57,040
uh um you would be able to

3231
02:12:00,149 --> 02:11:59,280
um in theory travel faster than light

3232
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:00,159
while not

3233
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:02,639
violating the speed of light in any

3234
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,000
local frame of reference

3235
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:06,480
no you're not increasing your mass

3236
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:07,360
you're not changing

3237
02:12:10,470 --> 02:12:10,000
your age and and here's the other

3238
02:12:12,470 --> 02:12:10,480
question

3239
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:12,480
well i i would think that you're not

3240
02:12:18,470 --> 02:12:14,000
doing these things

3241
02:12:20,470 --> 02:12:18,480
but what happens to your watch

3242
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:20,480
right okay now let's think about this

3243
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:21,520
for a second

3244
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:24,000
you're wearing a watch you haven't

3245
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:25,199
crossed the line yet

3246
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:28,239
right you haven't gone to andromeda but

3247
02:12:30,709 --> 02:12:28,639
you're

3248
02:12:32,950 --> 02:12:30,719
you you are traveling to andromeda you

3249
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,960
folded the space you've closed the gap

3250
02:12:36,629 --> 02:12:35,360
it's no longer 2 million light years in

3251
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:36,639
fact it's only the

3252
02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:38,560
the amount of time is how long it's

3253
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:40,400
going to take you to take one step

3254
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:41,119
forward

3255
02:12:46,470 --> 02:12:44,480
right basically that's it but what hap

3256
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:46,480
so you take that step forward you're now

3257
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:50,800
in andromeda what does your watch say

3258
02:12:54,550 --> 02:12:53,360
has your watched change or is your watch

3259
02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:54,560
the same

3260
02:13:00,629 --> 02:12:57,760
as it was back on earth

3261
02:13:01,750 --> 02:13:00,639
so it's a great question jimmy and and

3262
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:01,760
what i want to tell you

3263
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,159
it may not be sexy answers it doesn't

3264
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:06,079
matter what we think

3265
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:07,599
uh is the answer you have to

3266
02:13:11,750 --> 02:13:09,360
experimentally verify it

3267
02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:11,760
right like like i can tell you right now

3268
02:13:17,270 --> 02:13:14,320
that if you're not for example

3269
02:13:18,629 --> 02:13:17,280
if you're somehow uh you know folding

3270
02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:18,639
space-time

3271
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:21,679
um and you you're somehow bypassing

3272
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:23,199
relativistic effects

3273
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:26,000
right right right that's what's going

3274
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:27,360
down there that seems like what you're

3275
02:13:30,870 --> 02:13:28,400
implying

3276
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:30,880
then then it kind of like there's almost

3277
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:33,119
a violation right in the laws of physics

3278
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:36,159
internally uh um because what happens

3279
02:13:40,229 --> 02:13:37,280
here's my question

3280
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:40,239
um so like let's say that let's look

3281
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:41,360
into the warp drive

3282
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:44,880
uh example for a second

3283
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:48,000
um we know

3284
02:13:51,589 --> 02:13:50,880
you know what happens relativistically

3285
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:51,599
speaking

3286
02:13:55,270 --> 02:13:54,400
when we approach uh speeds closer to the

3287
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:55,280
speed of light

3288
02:14:02,069 --> 02:13:58,560
right like we know that okay on ship

3289
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:02,079
time time may pass uh it will pass

3290
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:04,639
it what feels like months for us if

3291
02:14:06,950 --> 02:14:06,320
we're traveling fast enough at the speed

3292
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,960
of light

3293
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:08,880
may end up being thousands of years

3294
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:10,639
right on back on planet earth

3295
02:14:14,629 --> 02:14:12,800
right uh if you if you left earth at

3296
02:14:17,669 --> 02:14:14,639
like yeah at a really fast

3297
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:17,679
speed and so the question and this is

3298
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:19,040
why i said it doesn't matter what we

3299
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:20,239
think the answer is

3300
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:21,920
the question of what happens when you

3301
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:23,760
travel faster than light

3302
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,880
no matter how like logical you think

3303
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:29,280
those answers were like the models you

3304
02:14:34,069 --> 02:14:30,880
used to come up with

3305
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:34,079
uh there's just no way of telling

3306
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:36,880
without empirically yeah doing so

3307
02:14:41,030 --> 02:14:37,760
there's just no

3308
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:41,040
there's no way of doing that

3309
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:44,000
that's why like i don't i love warp

3310
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:45,599
drive but that's why i don't

3311
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:48,880
uh think that i think warp drive is our

3312
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:49,599
attempt

3313
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:51,840
at trying to find an easy way out and

3314
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,079
not having to discover new physics

3315
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:56,079
to describe faster than light travel to

3316
02:14:59,830 --> 02:14:57,440
describe tic tacs

3317
02:15:01,510 --> 02:14:59,840
well i agree with that and but this is

3318
02:15:05,189 --> 02:15:01,520
this is where

3319
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:05,199
um if we stay in the constraints

3320
02:15:09,830 --> 02:15:08,560
of special in general right relativity

3321
02:15:14,149 --> 02:15:09,840
if we stay

3322
02:15:17,350 --> 02:15:14,159
inside of those which einstein was

3323
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:17,360
was pretty damn good with it right

3324
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:19,280
it's it's it has definitely stood the

3325
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:20,960
test of time most of it

3326
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:24,000
uh no pun intended he did but

3327
02:15:27,750 --> 02:15:26,239
but let me see let me finish this though

3328
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:27,760
so if

3329
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,960
we are in a folding of space-time

3330
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:32,079
environment

3331
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:34,719
and i step over i visit andromeda i'm

3332
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:36,000
there for a day

3333
02:15:39,589 --> 02:15:38,800
and i take a couple of pictures and then

3334
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:39,599
i step

3335
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:42,400
back and now i'm back in earth's orbit

3336
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:42,880
right

3337
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:45,920
okay i'm now back here

3338
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:50,480
by the laws that einstein presented

3339
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:53,840
if we traveled at at the speed of light

3340
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:55,920
or faster and did that

3341
02:16:01,109 --> 02:15:59,119
earth would now be coming back a million

3342
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:01,119
years in the future

3343
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:05,520
but i am guessing that we would violate

3344
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:08,719
all of those laws and we would come back

3345
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,560
in real time just the day after we left

3346
02:16:16,069 --> 02:16:14,719
and that just it seems like the universe

3347
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,079
would burn up

3348
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:18,880
right it would just melt because we have

3349
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:19,599
just broken

3350
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:21,920
everything that is supposed to be true

3351
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:23,199
right and we never

3352
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:25,280
observe any of that we never observe

3353
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:26,719
paradoxes

3354
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:30,239
time time loops um or or anything like

3355
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:31,760
the simulation breaking

3356
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,319
none of that ever happens um which is

3357
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:36,479
almost like expected like

3358
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:39,920
no no physics models no like philosophy

3359
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:40,960
of ours

3360
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,719
takes into account uh yeah the ability

3361
02:16:48,629 --> 02:16:46,960
to have like for example time loops and

3362
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:48,639
stuff like that to

3363
02:16:54,389 --> 02:16:51,920
uh to yeah just the idea of uh truck

3364
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:54,399
you know that um yeah just the idea of

3365
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:56,080
traveling faster than light

3366
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,240
like how that affects time it's just

3367
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:00,479
such a truly alien concept

3368
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:03,200
no pun intended well that's why but and

3369
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:05,439
that's why i keep going back to

3370
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,599
this um there is

3371
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:11,599
tens of thousands of intelligent

3372
02:17:14,709 --> 02:17:13,200
civilizations here in the milky way

3373
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:14,719
forget about andromeda

3374
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,240
put andromeda they're not even at the

3375
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:18,319
ballpark right now let's just stay

3376
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:21,760
inside the the milky way they have to

3377
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,840
exist it's just a numbers game

3378
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:25,519
that's it it's just a numbers game they

3379
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,880
exist but

3380
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:29,280
the milky way is bigger than most people

3381
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,000
think

3382
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:33,120
and to understand space is big the milky

3383
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:34,240
way is freaking

3384
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,760
huge yeah over 100 billion stars

3385
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:40,080
not only well it's closer to a trillion

3386
02:17:45,429 --> 02:17:42,000
but 80 billion

3387
02:17:49,830 --> 02:17:45,439
earth-like planets okay so anyway

3388
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:49,840
to get here yeah it has to be

3389
02:17:57,030 --> 02:17:54,880
easy it's not difficult

3390
02:17:58,309 --> 02:17:57,040
and and the same concept is and it's

3391
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:58,319
very simple

3392
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:01,359
to drive to new york for you to drive

3393
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:03,679
from toronto to la

3394
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:06,559
all you have to do is make up your mind

3395
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:08,240
it's not difficult to do

3396
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:11,120
it's just a decision to make do i drive

3397
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:13,040
to l.a or not do i take four days to

3398
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:14,399
drive to l.a or not

3399
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:17,280
do i stay in a few motels do i drink a

3400
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:19,200
bunch of mountain dew and make it in one

3401
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:19,920
crack

3402
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,280
it's up to me it's a decision

3403
02:18:26,950 --> 02:18:25,679
it has to be the same thing when it

3404
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:26,960
comes to

3405
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:30,880
interstellar travel it's simple

3406
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:34,000
it's just a decision deep it's it do we

3407
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:34,800
go here

3408
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:38,319
here all right

3409
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:41,519
let's go to vegas instead of uh uh

3410
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:44,000
seattle all right whatever the decision

3411
02:18:48,150 --> 02:18:44,960
is right it's

3412
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:48,160
just a decision and it has to be simple

3413
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:50,080
it may violate everything that we know

3414
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:51,359
today

3415
02:18:57,669 --> 02:18:54,240
but for them it's simple because your

3416
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:57,679
drive from toronto to la in four days

3417
02:19:01,990 --> 02:19:00,399
have somebody imagine that in the year

3418
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,000
1800

3419
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:04,639
they couldn't they couldn't grasp that

3420
02:19:09,509 --> 02:19:07,120
definitely not

3421
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,519
right you're you're you're absolutely

3422
02:19:13,270 --> 02:19:10,800
right i hope that

3423
02:19:14,230 --> 02:19:13,280
um and and maybe frankly it could very

3424
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,240
well be the case

3425
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:16,800
that like the technology once you have

3426
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:17,760
the technology

3427
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:20,399
then yeah it is as simple as do we go to

3428
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:22,319
earth or do we go to planet zorgon

3429
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:23,040
instead

3430
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:26,240
right for lunch right right and zorgon's

3431
02:19:31,910 --> 02:19:27,840
got a great nightlife

3432
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:31,920
so maybe they would go there but let me

3433
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:33,760
let me ask you this concept because a

3434
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:35,040
lot of uh

3435
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:38,080
this has been uh laid out there

3436
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:41,280
especially in the last 10 years uh with

3437
02:20:03,349 --> 02:19:42,080
a

3438
02:20:06,469 --> 02:20:03,359
just us

3439
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:06,479
so it's you know um maybe not such a

3440
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,200
strange

3441
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:08,800
possibility when you look at the

3442
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:11,439
behaviorisms writing the humanoid

3443
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:15,280
uh figures uh um and just

3444
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:19,280
sort of thinking uh let's say outside of

3445
02:20:24,950 --> 02:20:21,600
the box for a second

3446
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:24,960
we are obsessed with controlling matter

3447
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:26,720
right we're really good at that

3448
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:29,040
what we suck at controlling and have

3449
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:31,120
literally no control over right now is

3450
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:33,439
time right that's the last thing that we

3451
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:34,800
can manipulate

3452
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,240
but um it's not so far-fetched to

3453
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,399
imagine a future where we are so

3454
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:42,240
obsessed with matter that

3455
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:45,439
we figure it out right we we are in fact

3456
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:45,920
like

3457
02:20:49,110 --> 02:20:48,240
give quantum computing maybe about 100

3458
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:49,120
years max

3459
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:51,439
we honest to god we'll have done it we

3460
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,720
will have probably

3461
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,439
have had a very very deep understanding

3462
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:57,359
of matter or at least control a bit

3463
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:59,120
even if we don't know the why behind it

3464
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:00,800
right the philosophy

3465
02:21:05,270 --> 02:21:03,760
um so then naturally eventually though

3466
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:05,280
what would be left is actually

3467
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:08,479
is actual time travel right so i don't

3468
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:09,600
know i don't think it's that

3469
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:12,479
uh implausible anymore as it might have

3470
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:14,160
been 100 or 200 years

3471
02:21:18,389 --> 02:21:17,520
ago um but you know we're constantly

3472
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:18,399
seeing

3473
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:21,840
these sort of paradoxes uh that come up

3474
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:25,280
and then get resolved um

3475
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:28,640
yeah so yeah with the uh

3476
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:31,760
with the application of uh ai

3477
02:21:37,510 --> 02:21:35,120
uh combined into the craziness of

3478
02:21:39,030 --> 02:21:37,520
a functional quantum computer now we are

3479
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:39,040
getting into

3480
02:21:46,710 --> 02:21:43,680
uh crazy amounts of research

3481
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:46,720
being condensed from thousands of years

3482
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:49,359
to just a couple of seconds because

3483
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:50,960
that's actually

3484
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:53,680
it will be the result of it that's right

3485
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:55,040
that is absolutely right

3486
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:57,280
yeah that's that's it so if that's the

3487
02:22:02,309 --> 02:21:58,880
case

3488
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:02,319
is it um is it going to be a situation

3489
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:03,359
where

3490
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:06,640
uh and again i don't think this is crazy

3491
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,600
talk

3492
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:09,359
but is this going to be a situation

3493
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:12,000
where we will be able to calculate

3494
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:16,319
and and uh speculate

3495
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:20,560
the types of uh alien biology

3496
02:22:24,070 --> 02:22:23,040
that would be out there and what they

3497
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:24,080
physically

3498
02:22:27,349 --> 02:22:26,479
would consist of right ten fingers ten

3499
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:27,359
toes

3500
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:29,280
certain amount of height gravity on that

3501
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:30,720
planet uh

3502
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:33,120
uh chemicals in the atmosphere the

3503
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:34,160
chemistry

3504
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:37,760
boom this is what we can expect on this

3505
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,720
planet

3506
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:40,640
is that the kind of research that could

3507
02:22:45,349 --> 02:22:42,080
happen with ai

3508
02:22:47,670 --> 02:22:45,359
and and quantum computing 100

3509
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:47,680
yes um and the reason why i say that

3510
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:49,520
with so much confidence

3511
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:52,560
uh is because the human body

3512
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,880
is a series of you know chemical

3513
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:56,640
reactions let's forget the medical

3514
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:57,439
physics

3515
02:23:03,429 --> 02:23:00,560
it's a

3516
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:03,439
series of of cells and those cells are

3517
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:05,040
made of chemical reactions and those

3518
02:23:08,950 --> 02:23:06,399
chemical reactions

3519
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:08,960
are described by quantum mechanics uh

3520
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:10,720
all chemical reactions

3521
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:12,960
are quantum mechanical in nature and so

3522
02:23:17,429 --> 02:23:15,040
therefore they can all be described

3523
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:17,439
by a quantum computer and simulated by

3524
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:18,560
quantum computer

3525
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,840
and predicted right exactly right so

3526
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:23,439
that we can just predict you know what

3527
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:24,080
will life

3528
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:26,720
look like what can life what are even

3529
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:28,160
the definitive

3530
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:29,840
ways that life can take on what is the

3531
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:32,240
finite set right we can start simulating

3532
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:34,000
that once we have enough compute

3533
02:23:37,830 --> 02:23:36,000
uh once our quantum computers are

3534
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:37,840
powerful enough yeah we're not there yet

3535
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:40,880
are we i mean with ibm's uh

3536
02:23:48,070 --> 02:23:45,439
blue brain or or or china's

3537
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,080
brandontown system are they're not

3538
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:50,640
advanced enough yet right

3539
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:53,760
so yeah the the ibmq uh

3540
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:56,319
system like they're it's none of those

3541
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:57,359
are yeah

3542
02:24:01,990 --> 02:23:59,680
there's nothing out there so that's the

3543
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:02,000
thing that the quantum computing fields

3544
02:24:06,870 --> 02:24:05,200
is is gunning for it's like uh um

3545
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,880
you know it's just like a competition

3546
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:09,040
it's the first whoever finds

3547
02:24:12,309 --> 02:24:11,680
who whichever person finds like the

3548
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,319
first

3549
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,560
useful application of a quantum computer

3550
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:15,920
like like today that one

3551
02:24:19,910 --> 02:24:18,000
one we can use today that actually gives

3552
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:19,920
an advantage in research

3553
02:24:23,910 --> 02:24:22,560
will become you know a billionaire and

3554
02:24:26,790 --> 02:24:23,920
they'll also

3555
02:24:27,990 --> 02:24:26,800
uh more importantly though have uh

3556
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:28,000
established a new way

3557
02:24:32,630 --> 02:24:30,560
of doing science and engineering and we

3558
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:32,640
all know that it's inevitable it's gonna

3559
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:33,439
happen

3560
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:36,000
it's more about if and it's more about

3561
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:36,880
when not if

3562
02:24:43,750 --> 02:24:39,920
sorry and what would be

3563
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:43,760
if you had your uh your choice

3564
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:45,520
right yeah somebody came to you said

3565
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:48,800
okay all right here we go

3566
02:24:55,510 --> 02:24:51,920
what's your first application is it

3567
02:24:57,750 --> 02:24:55,520
to search for exoplanets

3568
02:24:59,429 --> 02:24:57,760
life out there in the universe is it

3569
02:25:02,469 --> 02:24:59,439
something more terrestrial

3570
02:25:04,230 --> 02:25:02,479
if if you had your your dream scenario

3571
02:25:05,190 --> 02:25:04,240
what's your first application for a

3572
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:05,200
quantum computer

3573
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:08,880
and you could do anything you wanted

3574
02:25:12,309 --> 02:25:10,800
that's awesome what i would do the first

3575
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:12,319
thing i would do jimmy

3576
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:15,840
is i would run through every single

3577
02:25:19,190 --> 02:25:18,880
biological simulation i could come up

3578
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:19,200
with

3579
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:20,720
automated right i would get one

3580
02:25:24,230 --> 02:25:22,880
simulation agent to do it for me like an

3581
02:25:26,630 --> 02:25:24,240
ai uh

3582
02:25:27,750 --> 02:25:26,640
and then keep and then see and just wait

3583
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,760
and watch

3584
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:30,800
until life comes out of that simulation

3585
02:25:35,110 --> 02:25:32,800
and then i would know exactly what

3586
02:25:38,150 --> 02:25:35,120
chemicals and what chemical reactions

3587
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:38,160
and pathways are required to create life

3588
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:45,590
we all are in some ways

3589
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:49,120
oh yeah and see i think that

3590
02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:52,319
um we are getting so close this is

3591
02:25:56,550 --> 02:25:54,800
what i find probably most interesting

3592
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:56,560
and fascinating about where science is

3593
02:26:00,230 --> 02:25:57,600
today

3594
02:26:01,429 --> 02:26:00,240
that if you're an astronomer if you're a

3595
02:26:05,830 --> 02:26:01,439
physicist

3596
02:26:06,309 --> 02:26:05,840
if you're a scientist you are focused on

3597
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:06,319
uh

3598
02:26:12,309 --> 02:26:09,359
one thing are we alone or not

3599
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:12,319
it seems like everybody wants to get to

3600
02:26:17,349 --> 02:26:13,040
the

3601
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:17,359
chasing it down but we are doing it

3602
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:20,640
with hypotheticals right everything is a

3603
02:26:25,270 --> 02:26:23,120
hypothetical we're able to

3604
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:25,280
you know get numbers on exoplanets and

3605
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,399
we're able to

3606
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:29,520
guess and we're able but it's all

3607
02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:31,680
theory it's all hypotheticals it's all

3608
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:32,960
guesswork

3609
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:35,520
um and that's where things are pressing

3610
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:36,399
forward

3611
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:38,720
and if we just have the ability to take

3612
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:40,960
things to the next step where we can get

3613
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:44,160
uh absolute results and measurements

3614
02:26:47,429 --> 02:26:45,680
i think that's where the focus is gonna

3615
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:47,439
go i think we're gonna continue to look

3616
02:26:50,710 --> 02:26:48,399
to the stars

3617
02:26:52,630 --> 02:26:50,720
and i'm sure that e.t is doing the same

3618
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:52,640
thing

3619
02:26:56,950 --> 02:26:55,359
looking for us that's so true that's

3620
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:56,960
beautifully said

3621
02:27:01,590 --> 02:26:59,120
thank you so much so what's next up man

3622
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:01,600
what are you guys working on now

3623
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:04,800
so um yeah so we're working on i'll i'll

3624
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:06,319
be very broad just because

3625
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:08,479
we're being somewhat quite about it but

3626
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:09,680
we're working

3627
02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:12,399
on i i'll tell you right now is going to

3628
02:27:15,429 --> 02:27:12,960
be

3629
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:15,439
probably the most advanced quantum

3630
02:27:19,270 --> 02:27:16,000
condensed

3631
02:27:21,910 --> 02:27:19,280
matter physics simulation uh

3632
02:27:22,630 --> 02:27:21,920
ever done and so uh condensed matter

3633
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:22,640
physics

3634
02:27:33,270 --> 02:27:30,479
to condensed matter systems

3635
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:33,280
such as superconductors um and

3636
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:35,120
semiconductors and stuff like that

3637
02:27:42,309 --> 02:27:38,640
so yeah we're really just looking into

3638
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:42,319
being able to uh use the most powerful

3639
02:27:47,190 --> 02:27:44,000
quantum compute platforms that we can

3640
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:47,200
get our hands on and and prove

3641
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:49,760
what can and can't be done uh with

3642
02:27:53,110 --> 02:27:50,880
quantum computers

3643
02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:53,120
uh and with respect to you know

3644
02:27:57,670 --> 02:27:54,720
discovering

3645
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:57,680
materials that we we think might take

3646
02:28:01,670 --> 02:27:58,960
centuries to discover

3647
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:01,680
otherwise we just want to show uh over

3648
02:28:05,349 --> 02:28:02,960
the next 12 months

3649
02:28:06,710 --> 02:28:05,359
you know and we'll have like we'll be

3650
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:06,720
public about it we'll have

3651
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:09,120
public press releases and stuff we want

3652
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:11,200
to show that the science exists that

3653
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that this stuff

3654
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is there you know and that we're going

3655
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to be at the forefront of it and that we

3656
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are

3657
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:19,200
so yeah like keep an eye out for that

3658
02:28:21,510 --> 02:28:20,880
pretty exciting stuff man pretty

3659
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exciting

3660
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:24,640
and uh i look forward to uh hanging out

3661
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with you at some point breaking some

3662
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bread once we get behind uh

3663
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all of this quarantine and lockdown but

3664
02:28:36,630 --> 02:28:31,600
hopefully

3665
02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:36,640
a whole another brand new fresh year

3666
02:28:40,230 --> 02:28:38,399
thank you so much deep

3667
02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:40,240
thank you so much as well jimmy have a

3668
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great night buddy yeah you too

3669
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enjoy your night and thank you so much

3670
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great conversation

3671
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and uh for everybody out there deep is

3672
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deep neuron

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right there on twitter you can go and

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chase him down and follow him on twitter

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and of course his website is reactiveq

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and the links are over

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at jimmychurchradio.com all right i'm

3678
02:29:02,230 --> 02:29:00,560
going to take a quick break

3679
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and when i come back thank you so much

3680
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deep when i come back i'm going to take

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is kgraradio.com jimmychurchradio.com

3763
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:21,750
don't worry i'm here i'm back i sat down

3764
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:24,800
that's right thank you to deep prasad

3765
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:27,280
absolutely fascinating conversation and

3766
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:28,000
i have

3767
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,429
five 747-228-2051 lots of seven four

3768
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seven two two eight two zero five one

3769
02:33:42,230 --> 02:33:40,080
and i've got one segment left and uh i

3770
02:33:45,110 --> 02:33:42,240
do wanna hear from you because there are

3771
02:33:45,750 --> 02:33:45,120
uh a a few very interesting concepts

3772
02:33:49,190 --> 02:33:45,760
here

3773
02:33:52,309 --> 02:33:49,200
uh many were presented tonight

3774
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:52,319
but one of the things

3775
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:55,359
now let's stay on this also

3776
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:59,040
uh the movie uh the social dilemma

3777
02:34:01,990 --> 02:34:00,560
uh that i mentioned in the opening of

3778
02:34:03,830 --> 02:34:02,000
the show i want to know if you've seen

3779
02:34:06,550 --> 02:34:03,840
it yet and if you have

3780
02:34:06,870 --> 02:34:06,560
i would like your comments on on that

3781
02:34:08,710 --> 02:34:06,880
too

3782
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:08,720
as well i don't want to let that go we

3783
02:34:13,510 --> 02:34:10,720
will certainly be discussing it

3784
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:13,520
uh this thursday on fader night uh going

3785
02:34:17,349 --> 02:34:14,319
back to uh

3786
02:34:19,429 --> 02:34:17,359
uh the conversation with deep is what i

3787
02:34:24,469 --> 02:34:19,439
want to hear from you when i

3788
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:24,479
lay out a couple of ideas

3789
02:34:29,270 --> 02:34:27,600
listen when we are talking about general

3790
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:29,280
and special relativity

3791
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:30,800
we're talking about the way einstein

3792
02:34:35,910 --> 02:34:32,399
laid it out and those

3793
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:35,920
basic uh constraints that have been

3794
02:34:43,349 --> 02:34:39,280
laid out there specifically the

3795
02:34:46,790 --> 02:34:43,359
elegant equation e equals m c squared

3796
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:46,800
that right you need to stop right there

3797
02:34:51,349 --> 02:34:48,000
right and most

3798
02:34:53,590 --> 02:34:51,359
physicists do because when you

3799
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:53,600
are talking about what if you just stay

3800
02:34:56,469 --> 02:34:55,600
within that the speed of light is

3801
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:56,479
constant

3802
02:35:02,790 --> 02:34:59,680
which is that's it if the speed of light

3803
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:02,800
is constant and that's where we sit

3804
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:06,399
then the traveling

3805
02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:09,760
because space is big space is big the

3806
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:10,840
distance between

3807
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:14,240
stars is is crazy forget about the

3808
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:15,600
distances between

3809
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:19,439
galaxies stay between stars

3810
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:21,200
and stay inside of our own milky way

3811
02:35:25,270 --> 02:35:22,560
those distances are so

3812
02:35:26,389 --> 02:35:25,280
vast that traveling at the speed of

3813
02:35:30,630 --> 02:35:26,399
light

3814
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:30,640
ripping

3815
02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:34,000
then traveling interstellar

3816
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,800
just takes enormous amounts of time

3817
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:38,240
concepts that we just

3818
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:42,399
can't understand so when we look at

3819
02:35:47,590 --> 02:35:46,319
earth and we look at a craft like the

3820
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:47,600
tic tac

3821
02:35:51,750 --> 02:35:49,600
then we gotta stop right there and go

3822
02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:51,760
okay if that's extraterrestrial how

3823
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:55,120
how did it get here how

3824
02:36:02,469 --> 02:35:59,439
did it get here

3825
02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:02,479
right and if you look at

3826
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:06,720
um earth and you look at the closest

3827
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:08,479
stars around us

3828
02:36:12,389 --> 02:36:11,439
that are within 50 light years and let

3829
02:36:13,750 --> 02:36:12,399
me stand this

3830
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:13,760
for a second because then we're going to

3831
02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:18,000
get to the warp drive and folding space

3832
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,160
okay so here's the earth and right

3833
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:22,720
around the earth you know

3834
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:26,960
the reason why i suggest 50 light years

3835
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:29,840
is easy but you have to understand where

3836
02:36:33,990 --> 02:36:30,960
i'm going with this

3837
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:34,000
so let me lay it out there for you okay

3838
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:35,200
so here's the earth

3839
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:38,240
50 light years away the reason why that

3840
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:39,280
is important

3841
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:42,319
is earth has been

3842
02:36:47,990 --> 02:36:45,760
sending out signals of life with

3843
02:36:49,110 --> 02:36:48,000
radio and television signals for about a

3844
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:49,120
hundred years

3845
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:52,080
a little longer but let's just say a

3846
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:53,680
hundred years

3847
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:57,600
so 100 light years out

3848
02:37:04,309 --> 02:37:00,800
right but you would need to

3849
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:04,319
get a response back

3850
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:08,800
so that's actually 50 light years

3851
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:12,000
you dig it 50 light years out

3852
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:15,040
50 light years back and there's your 100

3853
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:17,040
years

3854
02:37:24,630 --> 02:37:21,120
so we would expect we would expect

3855
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:24,640
that out of those 200 250 stars that are

3856
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:26,560
about 50 light years 50

3857
02:37:32,950 --> 02:37:29,680
light years that's a long it's a

3858
02:37:34,389 --> 02:37:32,960
big chunk of distance leaving out alpha

3859
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:34,399
centauri by the way

3860
02:37:42,870 --> 02:37:38,399
okay so we would expect

3861
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:42,880
that a response

3862
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:46,399
could it be you know something like the

3863
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:47,280
tic tac

3864
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:50,800
being a probe sent to

3865
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,840
earth to check us out from a

3866
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:55,920
civilization that is within

3867
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:58,800
50 light years of earth they've got the

3868
02:38:01,590 --> 02:37:59,760
signals

3869
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:01,600
they sent something here and it took 50

3870
02:38:07,469 --> 02:38:03,439
light years to get here

3871
02:38:09,670 --> 02:38:07,479
and boom that is staying within

3872
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:09,680
einstein's general and special

3873
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:11,920
relativity and of course equals mc

3874
02:38:16,150 --> 02:38:12,640
squared

3875
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:16,160
and the speed of light is constant that

3876
02:38:20,870 --> 02:38:19,200
is where we need to stay inside of our

3877
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:20,880
laws of physics the way that we

3878
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:23,120
understand them today

3879
02:38:29,670 --> 02:38:26,800
that's where what is the tic tac

3880
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:29,680
or anything else that we see in the sky

3881
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:31,439
right

3882
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:34,160
if and a lot of this stuff has happened

3883
02:38:37,349 --> 02:38:35,520
since 1947

3884
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:37,359
a lot of things have happened in the

3885
02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:39,040
last 10 or 20 years

3886
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:41,920
and a lot of stuff really crazy stuff

3887
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:44,319
has happened within the last 10 years

3888
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:47,760
tic-tac being uh 2004.

3889
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:52,000
that being said does that fall within

3890
02:38:56,150 --> 02:38:53,840
this concept of the earth being in the

3891
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:56,160
middle 50 light years out

3892
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:58,240
and then something being sent here and

3893
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:00,399
arriving we would expect to start

3894
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:03,760
seeing things and hearing things

3895
02:39:09,990 --> 02:39:07,280
now today

3896
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:10,000
i wouldn't be surprised if we started

3897
02:39:15,030 --> 02:39:11,680
getting

3898
02:39:17,270 --> 02:39:15,040
radio signals on our frequency because

3899
02:39:20,630 --> 02:39:17,280
that's what we sent them out at

3900
02:39:24,070 --> 02:39:20,640
and would et have a general

3901
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:24,080
sense of our language by that point

3902
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:25,840
right because the language is coming out

3903
02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,479
have they figured out that puzzle

3904
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:31,120
um is it at a frequency that they can

3905
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:31,520
well

3906
02:39:37,110 --> 02:39:34,640
eventually they would they would hone in

3907
02:39:38,150 --> 02:39:37,120
figure out what these signals are and

3908
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:38,160
and listen to them

3909
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:41,840
and possibly watch them yes okay

3910
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:44,560
would they be able to triangulate and

3911
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:45,359
figure out

3912
02:39:48,870 --> 02:39:47,359
where they are coming from yes of course

3913
02:39:51,110 --> 02:39:48,880
they would so

3914
02:39:51,990 --> 02:39:51,120
what are the ages of these stars and the

3915
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:52,000
so and the

3916
02:39:55,429 --> 02:39:54,160
and the solar system the planet systems

3917
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:55,439
that are around them

3918
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:58,399
are they it far enough advanced in front

3919
02:40:01,030 --> 02:39:58,960
of us

3920
02:40:02,950 --> 02:40:01,040
that they would have the capability to

3921
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:02,960
turn around and do interstellar travel

3922
02:40:06,309 --> 02:40:05,200
and get back to earth possibility is

3923
02:40:08,150 --> 02:40:06,319
there too

3924
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,160
so you would have to and again i always

3925
02:40:13,510 --> 02:40:10,880
go back to the math i always go back to

3926
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:13,520
the basics of the basics what are what

3927
02:40:19,030 --> 02:40:15,520
are we within

3928
02:40:23,830 --> 02:40:19,040
so i would expect

3929
02:40:26,469 --> 02:40:23,840
stuff to start happening now

3930
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:26,479
every year that goes by it reaches

3931
02:40:31,590 --> 02:40:28,000
further out

3932
02:40:35,269 --> 02:40:31,600
right so 150 years from now

3933
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:35,279
right now we're 75 years light years out

3934
02:40:39,030 --> 02:40:36,479
from planet earth

3935
02:40:40,230 --> 02:40:39,040
more stars more possibility it's a

3936
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:40,240
numbers game

3937
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:41,760
of reaching out to an advanced

3938
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,040
civilization and that is staying within

3939
02:40:49,190 --> 02:40:47,760
einstein's special and general

3940
02:40:52,469 --> 02:40:49,200
relativity

3941
02:40:56,150 --> 02:40:52,479
that being said the other

3942
02:40:59,910 --> 02:40:56,160
part of this where it would

3943
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:59,920
seem to violate all of our known laws of

3944
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:01,359
physics

3945
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:05,840
is the ability to ignore

3946
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:09,120
speed of light so if you are now

3947
02:41:13,030 --> 02:41:12,560
and when i say fold space right okay so

3948
02:41:15,910 --> 02:41:13,040
let's

3949
02:41:17,269 --> 02:41:15,920
just say this piece of paper is space

3950
02:41:19,910 --> 02:41:17,279
you have point a

3951
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:19,920
right here that's earth and you've got

3952
02:41:24,150 --> 02:41:20,960
another point

3953
02:41:26,950 --> 02:41:24,160
over here and this is

3954
02:41:27,670 --> 02:41:26,960
uh a thousand light years too far to

3955
02:41:30,790 --> 02:41:27,680
travel

3956
02:41:31,269 --> 02:41:30,800
but if there is a way to do this and

3957
02:41:35,269 --> 02:41:31,279
then

3958
02:41:39,030 --> 02:41:35,279
go through these two points like that

3959
02:41:42,389 --> 02:41:39,040
and fold space where it's not

3960
02:41:44,070 --> 02:41:42,399
any distance at all but if this

3961
02:41:47,269 --> 02:41:44,080
is the case and that's a thousand light

3962
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:47,279
years are you still traveling

3963
02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:49,120
technically at the speed of light if you

3964
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:51,520
are connecting the dots like that that's

3965
02:41:54,150 --> 02:41:52,720
folding space

3966
02:41:55,750 --> 02:41:54,160
this is something that has been talked

3967
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,760
about a lot in the world of

3968
02:41:59,349 --> 02:41:58,000
physics and astrophysics and and

3969
02:42:01,910 --> 02:41:59,359
einstein

3970
02:42:02,389 --> 02:42:01,920
the reason why i find that so important

3971
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:02,399
is

3972
02:42:06,230 --> 02:42:04,560
we don't know deep just said we haven't

3973
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:06,240
been able to test that there's no way to

3974
02:42:09,910 --> 02:42:06,800
know

3975
02:42:12,469 --> 02:42:09,920
what happens to your watch or time

3976
02:42:14,070 --> 02:42:12,479
your age we don't know these things what

3977
02:42:17,990 --> 02:42:14,080
would happen

3978
02:42:25,349 --> 02:42:21,190
that type of travel to go from

3979
02:42:26,070 --> 02:42:25,359
andromeda to here and to be able to fold

3980
02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:26,080
space

3981
02:42:31,349 --> 02:42:29,520
where and i i keep saying this i don't

3982
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:31,359
want to sound like the movie dune

3983
02:42:35,190 --> 02:42:32,960
but fundamentally that's what you would

3984
02:42:39,349 --> 02:42:35,200
have to be able to do

3985
02:42:43,510 --> 02:42:39,359
with a warp drive it's the same concept

3986
02:42:46,950 --> 02:42:43,520
the warp drive um

3987
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:46,960
i'm going to stay basic here is removing

3988
02:42:52,550 --> 02:42:49,359
the space that is in front of you

3989
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:52,560
and putting it in back of you

3990
02:42:58,070 --> 02:42:55,760
in real time now it takes a lot of uh

3991
02:42:59,910 --> 02:42:58,080
energy and the math and it doesn't

3992
02:43:03,190 --> 02:42:59,920
really work out

3993
02:43:05,990 --> 02:43:03,200
in our world it doesn't work it's just

3994
02:43:08,150 --> 02:43:06,000
we're talking about the the energy of

3995
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:08,160
millions of suns

3996
02:43:15,110 --> 02:43:11,760
okay all right but

3997
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:15,120
e.t would have figured this out

3998
02:43:18,950 --> 02:43:17,200
and advancingly because we are going to

3999
02:43:21,349 --> 02:43:18,960
figure it out one day and we're really

4000
02:43:23,349 --> 02:43:21,359
close we have the idea for it

4001
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:23,359
we just haven't been able to get to it

4002
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:24,479
yet

4003
02:43:29,910 --> 02:43:28,000
but with a warp drive

4004
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:29,920
where you are removing space from here

4005
02:43:34,389 --> 02:43:31,600
putting it behind your ship

4006
02:43:36,389 --> 02:43:34,399
and technically your ship isn't moving

4007
02:43:37,590 --> 02:43:36,399
it's not traveling at the speed of light

4008
02:43:40,469 --> 02:43:37,600
you're just using

4009
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,479
energy to remove the space in front of

4010
02:43:43,990 --> 02:43:42,080
you and put it in back of you

4011
02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:44,000
your ship itself it's not getting red

4012
02:43:48,230 --> 02:43:46,160
hot it's not increasing mass it's not

4013
02:43:49,750 --> 02:43:48,240
doing any of those things

4014
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:49,760
there may be a little bubble in front

4015
02:43:52,070 --> 02:43:51,600
and a bubble in back and you're removing

4016
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:52,080
and

4017
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:55,840
to another

4018
02:44:00,790 --> 02:43:58,160
but your ship itself what happens to

4019
02:44:03,990 --> 02:44:00,800
your watch what happens to your age

4020
02:44:05,269 --> 02:44:04,000
did you travel 10 000 light years in the

4021
02:44:08,870 --> 02:44:05,279
warp drive

4022
02:44:11,510 --> 02:44:08,880
without spending the time doing it well

4023
02:44:12,870 --> 02:44:11,520
basically that's the idea but if you're

4024
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:12,880
going to violate everything that

4025
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:14,800
einstein laid out there for us what

4026
02:44:18,790 --> 02:44:16,319
happens to your age

4027
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:18,800
what happens to your family when you get

4028
02:44:23,030 --> 02:44:19,920
back to

4029
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:23,040
planet earth are they still alive

4030
02:44:28,630 --> 02:44:26,160
or did they die 10 000 years prior

4031
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:28,640
even though you just spent a day

4032
02:44:33,590 --> 02:44:30,319
traveling in space

4033
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:33,600
to go to andromeda or someplace else

4034
02:44:39,030 --> 02:44:36,720
these are the questions that i have

4035
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:39,040
it would answer everything about the tic

4036
02:44:45,349 --> 02:44:40,800
tac it would answer everything about the

4037
02:44:52,070 --> 02:44:48,950
it seems very basic to me it has to

4038
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:52,080
be simple

4039
02:44:56,469 --> 02:44:55,359
the rocker says jc calculate all you

4040
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:56,479
desire

4041
02:45:02,469 --> 02:45:00,399
what is the frequency kenneth no

4042
02:45:04,230 --> 02:45:02,479
no one will ever have the answer ever

4043
02:45:13,030 --> 02:45:04,240
time does not exist

4044
02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:16,550
now time definitely exists

4045
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:18,800
a replicator this is coming in from

4046
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:20,880
twitter a replicator would should

4047
02:45:24,469 --> 02:45:22,640
sure make getting coffee and cocktails a

4048
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:24,479
lot easier yeah that's another

4049
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:27,600
that's another possibility here yeah

4050
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,520
yeah i totally get that oh by the way

4051
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:31,200
seven four seven two two eight two zero

4052
02:45:34,389 --> 02:45:31,520
five

4053
02:45:35,190 --> 02:45:34,399
one i haven't been paying attention here

4054
02:45:38,230 --> 02:45:35,200
let's uh

4055
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:38,240
get the uh phone lines active okay

4056
02:45:42,389 --> 02:45:40,640
seven four seven two two eight two zero

4057
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:42,399
five one i've laid it out

4058
02:45:47,190 --> 02:45:45,760
i mean i these are the thing it has to

4059
02:45:54,870 --> 02:45:47,200
be simple

4060
02:45:58,469 --> 02:45:54,880
and i lay out a concept like uh you know

4061
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:58,479
how easy it is for you

4062
02:46:02,790 --> 02:46:01,200
to get your news how easy is it for you

4063
02:46:06,150 --> 02:46:02,800
to drive to the store

4064
02:46:06,469 --> 02:46:06,160
how easy is it for you to fly to europe

4065
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,479
or

4066
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,240
to go from europe to the united states

4067
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:10,080
these are just decisions that we make

4068
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:11,040
that's all it is

4069
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:12,880
it's just a decision it's not

4070
02:46:16,870 --> 02:46:15,120
complicated it's a monetary thing can

4071
02:46:18,070 --> 02:46:16,880
you afford to do it yeah okay let's do

4072
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:18,080
it boom done

4073
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:20,399
you wake up a couple hours later in

4074
02:46:24,230 --> 02:46:21,680
another country

4075
02:46:25,110 --> 02:46:24,240
halfway around the world these things

4076
02:46:28,469 --> 02:46:25,120
we're talking about

4077
02:46:30,309 --> 02:46:28,479
serious science fiction 150 200 years

4078
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:30,319
ago

4079
02:46:36,870 --> 02:46:33,680
no way magic absolute magic today

4080
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:36,880
it's a decision it has to be the same

4081
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:38,800
way for et

4082
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:42,880
it has to be just that the um

4083
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:47,920
the uh the the ideas of the past

4084
02:46:54,550 --> 02:46:51,359
for me don't apply when it comes to et

4085
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,560
and when we look at the fermi paradox

4086
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:56,800
i don't think it applies and the reason

4087
02:47:02,950 --> 02:46:58,800
why i don't think it applies

4088
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:02,960
anymore which is um you know

4089
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,960
with the amount of stars and the size of

4090
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:06,800
the universe and the size of the milky

4091
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:07,520
way

4092
02:47:10,870 --> 02:47:09,760
there's got to be a lot of intelligent

4093
02:47:14,309 --> 02:47:10,880
life out there so

4094
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:14,319
where are they where is everything

4095
02:47:17,590 --> 02:47:16,640
we're seeing evidence of that now number

4096
02:47:21,190 --> 02:47:17,600
one

4097
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:21,200
um and number two

4098
02:47:25,670 --> 02:47:24,640
looking for uh freighters and trade

4099
02:47:28,150 --> 02:47:25,680
routes and

4100
02:47:29,349 --> 02:47:28,160
and things going in between the stars

4101
02:47:33,190 --> 02:47:29,359
it's probably not

4102
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,200
happening we are thinking of giant

4103
02:47:37,349 --> 02:47:35,520
ships and these giant things and leaving

4104
02:47:38,550 --> 02:47:37,359
evidence and traveling at the speed of

4105
02:47:41,429 --> 02:47:38,560
light and we're looking for

4106
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:41,439
heat waves and he said we're looking for

4107
02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:42,960
things that we understand today

4108
02:47:47,750 --> 02:47:45,760
i just don't think it's that way i don't

4109
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:47,760
we're talking about

4110
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:50,399
travel between the stars that happens

4111
02:47:53,910 --> 02:47:51,680
instantaneous

4112
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:53,920
you're not going to see something we

4113
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:55,680
have to look at it that way

4114
02:47:58,790 --> 02:47:57,840
that has to be the way that it is let's

4115
02:48:00,230 --> 02:47:58,800
go to the phones

4116
02:48:03,269 --> 02:48:00,240
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4117
02:48:05,269 --> 02:48:03,279
calling hey this is matt from winnipeg

4118
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:05,279
how's it going buddy hey matt how are

4119
02:48:10,630 --> 02:48:07,279
you man what's on your mind

4120
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:10,640
oh not bad i was just watching your show

4121
02:48:13,990 --> 02:48:12,399
and there's a few things that we could

4122
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:14,000
also consider

4123
02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:16,479
what if you know if you said you know

4124
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:19,760
you take space and you put it behind you

4125
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:22,319
there is another possibility what if

4126
02:48:26,070 --> 02:48:23,600
you're only putting

4127
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:26,080
a little bit of space in front of you

4128
02:48:30,309 --> 02:48:27,279
behind you

4129
02:48:33,429 --> 02:48:30,319
at a time you know rather than taking

4130
02:48:34,230 --> 02:48:33,439
huge huge energy leaps from one point to

4131
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:34,240
another

4132
02:48:40,309 --> 02:48:37,279
what if you did many many little

4133
02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:40,319
jumps from point a to point b

4134
02:48:45,990 --> 02:48:43,920
so you only move to say a foot at a time

4135
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:46,000
but you moved only a foot at a time by

4136
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:46,800
putting space

4137
02:48:54,309 --> 02:48:50,640
behind you so that way the less space

4138
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,319
that you would actually move behind you

4139
02:48:59,910 --> 02:48:57,200
then you would consume a considerably

4140
02:49:01,750 --> 02:48:59,920
less energy in order to do so

4141
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,760
and it would take years well yeah yeah

4142
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,960
yeah all of the

4143
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:04,720
okay i can't wait to hear your next

4144
02:49:08,870 --> 02:49:06,240
point i yeah

4145
02:49:10,469 --> 02:49:08,880
i i i know you're speaking in metaphor

4146
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:10,479
when you say a foot

4147
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:14,080
um but yeah much smaller chunks of space

4148
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:16,160
and uh that would consume a lot less

4149
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:17,520
energy instead of

4150
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:19,760
you know throwing two million light

4151
02:49:23,110 --> 02:49:21,520
years of space i don't know how many

4152
02:49:26,469 --> 02:49:23,120
units that is

4153
02:49:27,269 --> 02:49:26,479
uh but uh it's a it's a heck of a lot of

4154
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:27,279
uh

4155
02:49:32,550 --> 02:49:30,960
distance so breaking that up into chunks

4156
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:32,560
like data packets

4157
02:49:35,750 --> 02:49:34,720
right you're doing packet switching in

4158
02:49:39,510 --> 02:49:35,760
space

4159
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:39,520
and uh going from one uh one section to

4160
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,160
the next

4161
02:49:44,389 --> 02:49:42,080
yeah that makes a lot of sense like i

4162
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,399
said it would have to be simple

4163
02:49:51,269 --> 02:49:47,520
i mean so simple so

4164
02:49:55,269 --> 02:49:51,279
fundamentally simple that e.t

4165
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:55,279
just like we look at driving a car

4166
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:56,960
i mean how simple is that you get a

4167
02:50:02,790 --> 02:49:59,439
driver's license when you're 16.

4168
02:50:06,230 --> 02:50:02,800
uh anybody can do it right

4169
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:06,240
there is nothing uh stupefyingly

4170
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:07,279
difficult with it

4171
02:50:10,710 --> 02:50:09,120
it would be difficult to somebody from

4172
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:10,720
1700 though

4173
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:12,479
you know to wrap their mind around that

4174
02:50:16,469 --> 02:50:14,080
concept but

4175
02:50:18,550 --> 02:50:16,479
it is simple and space travel

4176
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:18,560
interstellar travel would have to be

4177
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:21,680
the exact same thing for them where it's

4178
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:22,560
just

4179
02:50:30,469 --> 02:50:28,560
right you know they're also like i said

4180
02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:30,479
there you answer had a

4181
02:50:34,870 --> 02:50:32,479
a listener say that time doesn't

4182
02:50:36,630 --> 02:50:34,880
actually exist

4183
02:50:38,950 --> 02:50:36,640
there there is actually some debate

4184
02:50:41,670 --> 02:50:38,960
about that too you do realize like

4185
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:41,680
we would have to accept that right now

4186
02:50:43,590 --> 02:50:43,040
in this day and age that we have

4187
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:43,600
different

4188
02:50:49,830 --> 02:50:47,200
multiple environments uh where we have

4189
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:49,840
many different decisions that are made

4190
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:51,520
that are yet to be made

4191
02:50:58,630 --> 02:50:55,359
or have been made and that your decision

4192
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:58,640
process is really each and every one of

4193
02:51:03,910 --> 02:50:59,760
these steps

4194
02:51:05,670 --> 02:51:03,920
and that really the only barrier between

4195
02:51:06,309 --> 02:51:05,680
these decision processes this is

4196
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,319
actually

4197
02:51:10,389 --> 02:51:08,240
nothing more than just a small

4198
02:51:12,950 --> 02:51:10,399
electromagnetic membrane that we

4199
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:12,960
kind of puncture from day to day or from

4200
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:15,600
fraction of a second to second

4201
02:51:19,990 --> 02:51:17,359
you know we look at that with you know

4202
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:20,000
the d wave quantum computing stuff

4203
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:21,600
we're starting to look at that through

4204
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:23,359
phenomenon that we don't really know how

4205
02:51:26,309 --> 02:51:24,880
to explain yet

4206
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:26,319
and they're coming to a point where we

4207
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:27,920
have to accept that maybe this

4208
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:30,640
might actually be what is happening so

4209
02:51:36,710 --> 02:51:33,120
if you look at it with that point

4210
02:51:39,830 --> 02:51:36,720
time and distance are illusions

4211
02:51:41,349 --> 02:51:39,840
and they are a measurement of human

4212
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:41,359
perception

4213
02:51:46,469 --> 02:51:44,399
so how do we perceive space

4214
02:51:48,790 --> 02:51:46,479
is really nothing more than electrical

4215
02:51:52,550 --> 02:51:48,800
impulses by our brain

4216
02:51:54,950 --> 02:51:52,560
so if we all accept that what we

4217
02:51:56,630 --> 02:51:54,960
see what we taste touch smell and feel

4218
02:51:59,750 --> 02:51:56,640
and hear

4219
02:52:02,790 --> 02:51:59,760
around us is the

4220
02:52:04,309 --> 02:52:02,800
these this electrical nervous system

4221
02:52:07,590 --> 02:52:04,319
impulse

4222
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:07,600
then we might have to accept the fact

4223
02:52:13,830 --> 02:52:10,640
that the way we look at time and

4224
02:52:17,030 --> 02:52:13,840
distance is different to us

4225
02:52:19,750 --> 02:52:17,040
compared to a more advanced et so

4226
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:19,760
we might have to accept that time

4227
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:20,479
doesn't actually

4228
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:21,840
exist when you look at things like

4229
02:52:27,830 --> 02:52:24,080
entanglement for instance

4230
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:27,840
um you know where you know where i go

4231
02:52:33,590 --> 02:52:30,720
against the grain on that because i get

4232
02:52:37,190 --> 02:52:33,600
it i i'm totally fascinated with that

4233
02:52:39,750 --> 02:52:37,200
you know uh the concept of time for et

4234
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:39,760
or an advanced civilization where time

4235
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:40,640
for them

4236
02:52:45,110 --> 02:52:43,920
is is non-existent the past and the

4237
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:45,120
future are the same

4238
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:48,399
as the now and and they don't look

4239
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:50,319
things in a linear fashion as we do

4240
02:52:57,429 --> 02:52:53,760
except and this is where

4241
02:52:57,990 --> 02:52:57,439
uh time is real time is real when you

4242
02:53:03,190 --> 02:52:58,000
look at

4243
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:03,200
the pulse of of an energized quartz

4244
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:07,920
uh the the the the atomic structure

4245
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:11,040
of molecular particles and

4246
02:53:17,190 --> 02:53:14,240
their pulsing and their rates that

4247
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:17,200
th these things are a measurement of

4248
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:18,000
time

4249
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:20,640
because you can take it one step further

4250
02:53:25,110 --> 02:53:21,840
the cells

4251
02:53:29,510 --> 02:53:25,120
in your body don't

4252
02:53:31,750 --> 02:53:29,520
replicate forever as a matter of fact

4253
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:31,760
they split they split they split they

4254
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:33,920
split they split they split they split

4255
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:34,880
and then

4256
02:53:42,070 --> 02:53:38,160
one day they stop

4257
02:53:43,110 --> 02:53:42,080
because time is saying they can only do

4258
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:43,120
this

4259
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:46,160
so many times and then it's over that's

4260
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:48,240
a measurement of time

4261
02:53:51,750 --> 02:53:51,439
and and our lives are the same type and

4262
02:54:00,710 --> 02:53:51,760
so

4263
02:54:01,750 --> 02:54:00,720
i definitely think that that time is

4264
02:54:05,030 --> 02:54:01,760
real

4265
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:05,040
and going backwards or or or

4266
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:06,560
forwards you know traveling to the

4267
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:08,319
future or to the past that's another

4268
02:54:12,710 --> 02:54:09,680
thing all together

4269
02:54:13,750 --> 02:54:12,720
but time in a linear sense because right

4270
02:54:16,790 --> 02:54:13,760
now matt

4271
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:16,800
as you and i are talking the past just

4272
02:54:21,910 --> 02:54:17,840
happened

4273
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:21,920
you can't go back to your conversation

4274
02:54:29,830 --> 02:54:25,359
therefore time is real you can't

4275
02:54:32,870 --> 02:54:29,840
go back and repeat what we just did

4276
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:32,880
by by the second right

4277
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:36,080
we're always going in in one direction

4278
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:37,840
yeah we're going into the future so

4279
02:54:42,950 --> 02:54:39,760
therefore i think time is

4280
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:42,960
is completely measurable and linear down

4281
02:54:47,429 --> 02:54:44,319
to the atomic level

4282
02:54:48,150 --> 02:54:47,439
and and the amount that cells in your

4283
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:48,160
body or

4284
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:51,359
frog or or a shark

4285
02:54:56,550 --> 02:54:54,800
or anything is limited to how many times

4286
02:54:59,269 --> 02:54:56,560
they replicate and they split

4287
02:55:00,389 --> 02:54:59,279
and then one day they stop what you

4288
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:00,399
described there was

4289
02:55:04,950 --> 02:55:03,520
entropy so like you said when you your

4290
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:04,960
cells grow and grow and grow and

4291
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:05,680
eventually

4292
02:55:10,790 --> 02:55:08,240
they die out and it just kind of stops

4293
02:55:13,510 --> 02:55:10,800
yeah what you're describing is entropy

4294
02:55:14,230 --> 02:55:13,520
it's a form of it yeah i i suppose so

4295
02:55:16,630 --> 02:55:14,240
yeah

4296
02:55:18,710 --> 02:55:16,640
so what you might have to consider is

4297
02:55:21,349 --> 02:55:18,720
that like what you just said there too

4298
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:21,359
when you look at cells and they they

4299
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:22,960
break down and and they

4300
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:27,279
die or when you see a pulse

4301
02:55:34,630 --> 02:55:31,840
uh process um at a specific rate

4302
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:34,640
and what what were the key words here

4303
02:55:38,630 --> 02:55:35,200
how

4304
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:38,640
you as the observer look

4305
02:55:45,510 --> 02:55:42,240
at these particular phenomena so

4306
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:45,520
when you look at these phenomena or when

4307
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:45,840
you

4308
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:49,840
happening with cells

4309
02:55:56,230 --> 02:55:52,960
or your environment what are you doing

4310
02:55:59,030 --> 02:55:56,240
you are observing human perception

4311
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:59,040
until you start to look at the concepts

4312
02:56:02,870 --> 02:55:59,439
of an

4313
02:56:06,150 --> 02:56:02,880
et that perhaps they figured out

4314
02:56:07,110 --> 02:56:06,160
how to look at entropy differently or

4315
02:56:10,830 --> 02:56:07,120
manipulate

4316
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:10,840
entropy differently in our

4317
02:56:16,870 --> 02:56:13,840
environment and like i said

4318
02:56:19,670 --> 02:56:16,880
how you are perceiving time is

4319
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:19,680
electrical impulses by your brain

4320
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:22,240
without these electrical impulses

4321
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:25,040
then how do we look at time uh in a

4322
02:56:29,190 --> 02:56:26,080
linear sense

4323
02:56:29,990 --> 02:56:29,200
we have to accept that time may we can

4324
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:30,000
be observed

4325
02:56:33,670 --> 02:56:32,960
linearly or non-linearly all in the same

4326
02:56:35,830 --> 02:56:33,680
moment

4327
02:56:36,870 --> 02:56:35,840
if that makes any sense no well of

4328
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:36,880
course it does

4329
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:40,000
and and i think that that is the case

4330
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,080
um the perception of time uh between

4331
02:56:47,590 --> 02:56:46,800
uh two individuals given the the the

4332
02:56:50,950 --> 02:56:47,600
situation

4333
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:50,960
is completely different right if

4334
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:54,080
you and i are sitting in in uh

4335
02:56:57,830 --> 02:56:57,040
in the same room you're reading a book

4336
02:56:59,910 --> 02:56:57,840
and i don't

4337
02:57:01,110 --> 02:56:59,920
have a book and we have to sit there for

4338
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:01,120
an hour

4339
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:03,439
and then somebody comes in and says okay

4340
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:05,120
how long were you just sitting in here

4341
02:57:08,150 --> 02:57:06,319
and i'm gonna go dude man i was gonna

4342
02:57:10,790 --> 02:57:08,160
seem like three hours to me

4343
02:57:12,870 --> 02:57:10,800
and you're and you say 20 minutes

4344
02:57:15,830 --> 02:57:12,880
because it flew by

4345
02:57:16,950 --> 02:57:15,840
that's it but it's the same hour you

4346
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:16,960
know and that's

4347
02:57:20,230 --> 02:57:19,520
that thing as fundamental and as as

4348
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:20,240
simple as

4349
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:23,520
of a statement as that is that is

4350
02:57:27,110 --> 02:57:26,240
the perception of time and it's it's

4351
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:27,120
it's different for

4352
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:30,000
for everybody at any given moment every

4353
02:57:34,630 --> 02:57:30,960
living thing

4354
02:57:39,110 --> 02:57:38,389
right so if everybody lit experiences

4355
02:57:42,309 --> 02:57:39,120
time

4356
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:42,319
differently then we have to accept that

4357
02:57:49,110 --> 02:57:45,840
time itself might be an illusion

4358
02:57:52,710 --> 02:57:49,120
itself i'm not saying that time

4359
02:57:56,070 --> 02:57:52,720
does or doesn't exist and since

4360
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:56,080
but if we have to look at things like

4361
02:58:02,389 --> 02:57:59,680
entanglement for instance where we can

4362
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:02,399
split a particle of light in half

4363
02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:04,960
and we can move that particle on one

4364
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:05,920
side of uh

4365
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:09,040
say 12 feet away from us

4366
02:58:14,070 --> 02:58:11,840
and uh and look at the other particle

4367
02:58:17,429 --> 02:58:14,080
another 12 feet away from us

4368
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:17,439
and yet they jostle at the same rate

4369
02:58:20,710 --> 02:58:19,920
without any kind of lag time between

4370
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:20,720
that

4371
02:58:24,230 --> 02:58:23,439
which i believe mit has already proved

4372
02:58:29,190 --> 02:58:24,240
that

4373
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:29,200
time itself

4374
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:32,160
it maybe exists in two different forms

4375
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:32,800
linear

4376
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:43,120
yeah so yeah you're right about that and

4377
02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:44,960
the chinese have done

4378
02:58:48,150 --> 02:58:46,960
uh there's two experiments that have

4379
02:58:51,990 --> 02:58:48,160
been fantastic one

4380
02:58:54,630 --> 02:58:52,000
uh going out uh uh to a star

4381
02:58:55,190 --> 02:58:54,640
and measuring entanglement but also the

4382
02:58:57,269 --> 02:58:55,200
uh

4383
02:58:59,190 --> 02:58:57,279
the satellites that the chinese have

4384
02:59:03,590 --> 02:58:59,200
been entangling with

4385
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,600
and and proven but when you get to be 80

4386
02:59:06,630 --> 02:59:05,120
years old

4387
02:59:08,469 --> 02:59:06,640
and you're questioning your own

4388
02:59:11,190 --> 02:59:08,479
mortality

4389
02:59:15,110 --> 02:59:11,200
at that point and your life lived you

4390
02:59:17,030 --> 02:59:15,120
tell me if time is real or not

4391
02:59:18,309 --> 02:59:17,040
and with that matt enjoy the rest of

4392
02:59:19,429 --> 02:59:18,319
your night man we'll see you tomorrow

4393
02:59:21,750 --> 02:59:19,439
night

4394
02:59:22,550 --> 02:59:21,760
all right see you tomorrow go back leech

4395
02:59:24,469 --> 02:59:22,560
happy buddy

4396
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:24,479
go beckley teppy great phone call thank

4397
02:59:27,830 --> 02:59:25,840
you so much matt

4398
02:59:29,750 --> 02:59:27,840
and with that i got to get out of here

4399
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,760
and i've got calls on hold i'm

4400
02:59:33,269 --> 02:59:31,840
you know i i just didn't get to them

4401
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:33,279
i'll you know

4402
02:59:36,950 --> 02:59:35,200
i'll talk to everybody tomorrow night

4403
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:36,960
what a great show got to thank deep

4404
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:38,000
prasad

4405
02:59:43,910 --> 02:59:41,120
fantastic conversation and

4406
02:59:44,469 --> 02:59:43,920
uh i just gotta say what a start to the

4407
02:59:46,389 --> 02:59:44,479
week

4408
02:59:47,990 --> 02:59:46,399
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4409
02:59:51,429 --> 02:59:48,000
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4410
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4411
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03:00:32,469 --> 03:00:29,680
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03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:32,479
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